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  "thread": {
    "id": 3558,
    "subject": "king jesus, the feminine divine, etc.",
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    "first": "2002-11-11T15:56:04+00:00",
    "last": "2002-11-11T15:56:04+00:00"
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      "message_id": "<urth-v0211-2079@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "maa32",
        "address": "maa32 at dana.ucc.nau.edu"
      },
      "date": "2002-11-11T15:56:04+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) king jesus, the feminine divine, etc.",
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          "text": "Hi Don.  \nWelcome!  It was very nice to hear your theories.  I think that if you posit \nthat Silk is Typhon cloned and that Severian is Ymar cloned, then Silk is \ngenetically Severian's father.  Patera Silk, heh heh heh.\nInteresting.  \nI am especially interested in your right on target claim that feminine worship \nis the target that must be overthrown, and that this is straight from Graves.  \nLook at the text in the New Sun alone: Severian in the Botanical Garden meets \nup with a member of the Uappes tribe, where menstraution is the ultimate evil \ngoddess.  In the play eschatology and genesis, the evil druj is a female and \nin Persian myth a female goddess is reponsible for the murder of King Manyu.  \nAlmost every myth that is invoked seriously as directly related to Severian \n(ie - the native of Brazil actually encounters Severian, Severian actually \nre-enacts eschatology and genesis) deals with evil women goddesses who are \nbeing overthrown or resisted by a masculine cult.  Except for the copulation \nthat results in the birth of the New Sun ... but otherwise women divinities \nare pretty much either for procreation or are evil schemers.  Notice that this \nchanges somewhat in Long Sun (despite the fact that the primary villains are a \npowerful force of women), but I really see it returning with a vengeance in \nShort Sun.  Keep in mind that Seawrack is a palpable spy of the Mother who the \nnarrator (Silk) must keep an eye on at the conclusion of the Short Sun, even \nthough the original lover of Seawrack (Horn) is dead and gone (into Babbie). \nThe treatment of Jahlee and her own behavior kind of speaks for itself.  The \nvery carefully selected mythical assocations with vile femininity are so \nprevalent in the New Sun that even I am shocked at times.  This might be the \nmost direct link to Graves.  Interesting.  How do you think that Ymar and \nTyphon are really father and son?  It would be thematically interesting to \nthink of father Silk teaching his surrogate, genetic son.  I always thought \nthat Malrubius and Silk must be genetically cloned from the same person, but I \ncould never posit a real link.  If Silk is truly related to typhon at all, \nthen Wolfe definitely believes in nurture over nature - they are night and \nday.\nWhile a neat idea, I think we might need a little bit more textual internal \nevidence.  Nice to hear from you.\nMarc Aramini"
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