{ "export": { "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/3564", "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 3564, "subject": "interesting Green Man article", "messages": 5, "voices": 4, "first": "2002-11-13T16:28:19+00:00", "last": "2002-11-13T19:45:24+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "tom", "address": "tom at bitterman.net" }, "date": "2002-11-13T16:28:19+00:00", "subject": "(urth) interesting Green Man article", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "The Green Man as pagan god. The bit about Pope Julius II\nis interesting:\nhttp://www.thisishull.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeIda026&command=displayContent&sourceNodea025&contentPK015423" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Andy Robertson", "address": "andywrobertson at clara.co.uk" }, "date": "2002-11-13T16:47:16+00:00", "subject": "Re: (urth) interesting Green Man article", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Interesting. I had never made this connection, I confess.\n\nThe Green man (or Green Knight) is a god figure that later became an\nelf/fay/sidhe in Northern legend. I am not at all sure that I see any\nlinkage with the character in TBOTNS: for example, he is never spoken of as\nchained or imprisoned.\n\n hartshorn\n\n\n\n----- Original Message -----" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "From: \"tom\" \nTo: \nSent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 4:28 PM\nSubject: (urth) interesting Green Man article\n\nThe Green Man as pagan god. The bit about Pope Julius II\nis interesting:" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "http://www.thisishull.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeIda026&command=displayCont\nent&sourceNodea025&contentPK015423" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "--" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Josh Geller", "address": "dclxvi at dclxvi.best.vwh.net" }, "date": "2002-11-13T17:13:28+00:00", "subject": "Re: (urth) interesting Green Man article", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Wed, 13 Nov 2002, tom wrote:\nThe Green Man as pagan god. The bit about Pope Julius II\nis interesting:\nhttp://www.thisishull.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeIda026&command=displayContent&sourceNodea025&contentPK015423" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "There's a green guy who is important in Islam also.\n\nAnd there's the one that's associated with peyote.\n\nMaybe they're not all the same green guy. It's interesting to contemplate\nwhat the World would have to be like for them all to be the same one.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "James Wynn", "address": "crushtv at hotpop.com" }, "date": "2002-11-13T19:21:45+00:00", "subject": "RE: (urth) interesting Green Man article", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Josh Geller notes:\nThere's a green guy who is important in Islam also.\nAnd there's the one that's associated with peyote.\nMaybe they're not all the same green guy. It's interesting to contemplate\nwhat the World would have to be like for them all to be the same one\n\nCrush responds:\nActually the green fellow in Islam (\"El Hidr\" or \"al-Khidr\") is probably the\nprimary derivation of the NS's Green Man. Robert Graves in \"The White\nGoddess\" identifies him as a \"former Sun-hero\". Apparently he drank from a\npool of youth in Hyperborea and gained immortality. He encounters wandering\nholy men to impart divine knowledge. He is also a patron of sea travelers so\nperhaps, like Apollo (another Sun divinity) and all the Moon divinities\n(according to Graves), one his early aspects was a sea-god.\n\nBut alloying of conceptual cognates is very Wolfean.\n\n-- Crush" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Josh Geller", "address": "dclxvi at dclxvi.best.vwh.net" }, "date": "2002-11-13T19:45:24+00:00", "subject": "RE: (urth) interesting Green Man article", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Wed, 13 Nov 2002, James Wynn wrote:\nJosh Geller notes:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "There's a green guy who is important in Islam also.\nAnd there's the one that's associated with peyote.\nMaybe they're not all the same green guy. It's interesting to\ncontemplate what the World would have to be like for them all to be the\nsame one" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Actually the green fellow in Islam (\"El Hidr\" or \"al-Khidr\") is probably the\nprimary derivation of the NS's Green Man. Robert Graves in \"The White\nGoddess\" identifies him as a \"former Sun-hero\". Apparently he drank from a\npool of youth in Hyperborea and gained immortality. He encounters wandering\nholy men to impart divine knowledge. He is also a patron of sea travelers so\nperhaps, like Apollo (another Sun divinity) and all the Moon divinities\n(according to Graves), one his early aspects was a sea-god." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "But alloying of conceptual cognates is very Wolfean." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "It's interesting that he shows up sometimes when people eat\npeyote.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n." } ] } ] }