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  "thread": {
    "id": 3572,
    "subject": "The Plan of Typhon/Pas and the Plausibility of Blue/Ushas",
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    "first": "2002-11-16T18:33:50+00:00",
    "last": "2002-11-16T18:33:50+00:00"
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    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0211-2121@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Jeff Veyera",
        "address": "teflon93 at cox.net"
      },
      "date": "2002-11-16T18:33:50+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) The Plan of Typhon/Pas and the Plausibility of Blue/Ushas",
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          "text": "Roy wrote:\n\n\nRather than argue the nuts-and-bolts, let me address the thematic\nobjections. As you acknowledge, the galaxy had been conquered long ago by\nthe First Empire. The effect of Urth being turned into Ushas was largely\nsymbolic; it wasn't going to wipe out the human race. It was much too late\nfor that. The wounding of Urth's sun, whether directly by Typhon's actions\nor as retribution for them, had no galaxy-wide ripple effect. Agents of the\nIncreate, judging from Apheta's testimony, were constrained, somewhat, by\nthe laws of physics from punishment en masse.\n\nTo credit the two-headed madman Sev met on the mountain in the Age of the\nMonarch with building and launching the _Whorl_ with the intent of having it\nreturn, a thousand years in the future, to restock the planet with the flora\nand fauna and, especially, the people of old Urth, presupposes that Typhon\nknew the future. More specifically, that Typhon knew that the Conciliator\nwould come, that the New Sun would supplant him, that all his works,\nincluding his monumental carved mountain, would be drowned with little or no\ntrace remaining to show that he had ever existed. That is not the\nmegalomaniac I read about in NS. Typhon was a bad guy, not a savior. Typhon\nwas emblematic of the problem, not the solution.\n\nJeff responds:\n\nTyphon DID know the Conciliator had come.  He met them, and certainly\nwitnessed the effect his \"miracles\" had on his subjects---some defected.\nThis is all covered in UotNS.\n\nIs it possible that Typhon originally intended the Whorl to be a\nstarcrosser, reclaiming some aspects of his interplanetary empire, but\nchanged the Plan of Pas late in the game as he realized that the\nConciliator's claims regarding the Old Sun's demise and the coming of the\nNew Sun might well be true?  Typhon certainly might have had the wherewithal\nto at least validate the Conciliator's claims of a black hole at the heart\nof the Old Sun, even if he was originally unaware of it.\n\nFor Typhon, this might have been the ultimate last laugh on the rebels who\nwere defeating him:  they would triumph short-term, he in the long run.\n\nI suspect it might even had to do with choosing a spot likely to survive the\ncoming deluge for his keep---once the waters receded, there was Typhon,\nawaiting to be awakened by the Whorl cargo taught over centuries to worship\nhim as a god.\n\nIs this not a fitting Plan of Pas?"
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