# Blue as Ushas - long + More LONG! *The Urth list — 4 messages, 3 voices, 17 Nov 2002* > Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright > in each message remains with the person who wrote it. > Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original > archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than > retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact. --- ### Ryan Thistlethwaite *17 Nov 2002, 11:04* Couple of points to comment on... Can't be bothered quoting each other ad nauseum, the writers know who they are...+ this is long enough already... First on the subject of the neighbours, I can't recall of the top of my head any suggestion that they went to the stars. Just read Horn's meeting and agreement with the neighbours recently and there's no mention of this. It always struck me as an "other worldly" type of travel. As an aside on the neighbours... I don't know if this has been discussed, dismissed or other, but I have just recently had a sneaking suspicion about the relation between the Neighbours and the Inhumi. I seem to recall Horn being asked and giving his name to a Neighbour at the end to which the Neighbour replies "My name is Horn also..." Our Horn seems to feel this is an immense compliment. Seems to me that the relationship between the Neighbours and the Vamps hasn't been looked into too deeply, considering they were supposedly together in the same little chunk of the universe for a while...... I would LOVE any thoughts you all might have on where you think my brain is going (and if it's leaving me behind!) Just another quick one this time... I've felt off and on that Severian making a house call in the pit seemed plausible, the confusion and hallucinations all fit as well as something else I've just noticed. Seawrack seems quite positive that Horn was D.E.A.D in the pit... exact words... 'SW: "You were dead." I shook my head. SW: Yes you were, I saw you down there."' It's possible she happened along before Sev pulled out the FirstAid Kit... --- ### Jeff Veyera *17 Nov 2002, 17:38 · follows Ryan Thistlethwaite* To your point, Ryan, Silk lamented at one point that the inhumi were merely a reflection of those on whom they feed, not evil in and of themselves, and that were humans better people, the inhumi would be no threat. The Neighbors apparently were similarly fallen, in that the inhumi drove them to near extinction; impossible if Silk's interpretation was correct and the Neighbors were morally superior to humans. The Neighbors get a very positive treatment from Silk and Horn throughout the book---the truth likely wasn't so wonderful. This might also explain Silk's willingness to surround himself with inhumi---might he not have been hoping to redeem them through his own example? -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Thistlethwaite [mailto:shintemaster at hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 3:05 AM To: Urrth Messages Subject: Re: (urth) Blue as Ushas - long + More LONG! Couple of points to comment on... Can't be bothered quoting each other ad nauseum, the writers know who they are...+ this is long enough already... First on the subject of the neighbours, I can't recall of the top of my head any suggestion that they went to the stars. Just read Horn's meeting and agreement with the neighbours recently and there's no mention of this. It always struck me as an "other worldly" type of travel. As an aside on the neighbours... I don't know if this has been discussed, dismissed or other, but I have just recently had a sneaking suspicion about the relation between the Neighbours and the Inhumi. I seem to recall Horn being asked and giving his name to a Neighbour at the end to which the Neighbour replies "My name is Horn also..." Our Horn seems to feel this is an immense compliment. Seems to me that the relationship between the Neighbours and the Vamps hasn't been looked into too deeply, considering they were supposedly together in the same little chunk of the universe for a while...... I would LOVE any thoughts you all might have on where you think my brain is going (and if it's leaving me behind!) Just another quick one this time... I've felt off and on that Severian making a house call in the pit seemed plausible, the confusion and hallucinations all fit as well as something else I've just noticed. Seawrack seems quite positive that Horn was D.E.A.D in the pit... exact words... 'SW: "You were dead." I shook my head. SW: Yes you were, I saw you down there."' It's possible she happened along before Sev pulled out the FirstAid Kit... ``` -- ``` --- ### Roy C. Lackey *17 Nov 2002, 18:37 · follows Jeff Veyera* > Ryan Thistlethwaite wrote: > First on the subject of the neighbours, I can't recall of the top of my > head > any suggestion that they went to the stars. Silkhorn speaking: "As for me, I have walked with them, and sat with them around their fire. Thus I know that they exist. They have gone elsewhere--found a new home circling another short sun. But they have our permission to revisit this one whenever they choose." (IGJ, 72) -Roy --- ### Ryan Thistlethwaite *18 Nov 2002, 01:16 · follows Roy C. Lackey* > Ryan Thistlethwaite wrote: >> First on the subject of the neighbours, I can't recall of the top of my >> head >> any suggestion that they went to the stars. > Silkhorn speaking: > "As for me, I have walked with them, and sat with them around their fire. > Thus I know that they exist. They have gone elsewhere--found a new home > circling another short sun. But they have our permission to revisit this > one > whenever they choose." (IGJ, 72) > > -Roy Let me rephrase that, I never had any impression that they did it the old fashioned way using ships. I don't know that that makes any difference, but just something I felt... ---