{ "export": { "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/3580", "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 3580, "subject": "The Claw", "messages": 3, "voices": 2, "first": "2002-11-18T06:47:20+00:00", "last": "2002-11-18T20:21:05+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Roy C. Lackey", "address": "rclackey at stic.net" }, "date": "2002-11-18T06:47:20+00:00", "subject": "(urth) The Claw", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Marc Aramini wrote:\nPerhaps the power of the claw - which is really the negation of time -\nindicates where the vanished people have gone - someWHEN else.<<" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "A quibble about the Claw: it has been suggested often before that the Claw\n(or Sev) worked by reaching back in time to a point before whatever malady\nit was being used to remedy had come about. Restoring Dorcas to life by\nreturning her body to a time when she was still alive; healing Declan's\nswollen abdomen by returning his body to a time before he had appendicitis.\nBut this doesn't work for Herena. She had \"a withered arm no larger than an\ninfant's\". In other words, it was a birth defect. There had never been a\ntime when her arm had been well and whole.\n\nIt also didn't work for Jonas. Sev couldn't even restore him to the\ncondition he had been in before he got zapped, much less reach back in time\nto restore him to the way he was before his ship crashed. Didn't work for\nJolenta, either, though Sev had known her both before she was bitten and\nbefore she was Jolenta.\n\n-Roy" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes", "address": "ddanehy at siebel.com" }, "date": "2002-11-18T18:07:40+00:00", "subject": "RE: (urth) The Claw", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "There are more posts in Roy C. Lackey's posts than are dremt \nof in your philosophy:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "It also didn't work for Jonas. Sev couldn't even restore him \nto the condition he had been in before he got zapped, much \nless reach back in time to restore him to the way he was \nbefore his ship crashed. Didn't work for Jolenta, either, \nthough Sev had known her both before she was bitten and \nbefore she was Jolenta." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I seem to recall some discussion of this in the past ... but ...\nit seems to me that the common factor between Jonas and Jolenta\n-- aside from their names beginning with the syllable \"Jo\" --\nwould consist in their both having an artificial nature (though\nJolenta _begins_ as a natural person, Doctor T. artifically\nenhances her ... sort of the Pamela Anderson of posthistory). \n\nPerhaps the Claw (or Severian) cannot heal artificial persons,\nbut only natural persons ..." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Roy C. Lackey", "address": "rclackey at stic.net" }, "date": "2002-11-18T20:21:05+00:00", "subject": "Re: (urth) The Claw", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Dan'l quoted:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "It also didn't work for Jonas. Sev couldn't even restore him\nto the condition he had been in before he got zapped, much\nless reach back in time to restore him to the way he was\nbefore his ship crashed. Didn't work for Jolenta, either,\nthough Sev had known her both before she was bitten and\nbefore she was Jolenta." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "and wrote:\nI seem to recall some discussion of this in the past ... but ..." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "it seems to me that the common factor between Jonas and Jolenta\n-- aside from their names beginning with the syllable \"Jo\" --\nwould consist in their both having an artificial nature (though\nJolenta _begins_ as a natural person, Doctor T. artifically\nenhances her ... sort of the Pamela Anderson of posthistory)." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Perhaps the Claw (or Severian) cannot heal artificial persons,\nbut only natural persons ...,<<" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I, too, recall such discussion, and the artificiality factor may be valid\nfor the failures. What I was addressing, however, was the contention that\nthe Claw worked by reaching back in time to a point before the pending\nproblem. If the Claw's power was a function of time, why should the presence\nof prosthetics present a problem? Would it not work for a man with a wooden\nleg who was wounded woefully by a weapon?\n\n-Roy" } ] } ] }