{ "export": { "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/3595", "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 3595, "subject": "Marble on NPR", "messages": 4, "voices": 4, "first": "2002-11-20T21:10:41+00:00", "last": "2002-11-20T22:52:05+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "James Wynn", "address": "crushtv at hotpop.com" }, "date": "2002-11-20T21:10:41+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Marble on NPR", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Today on National Public Radio, Terry Gross of \"Fresh Air\" interviewed poet\nSekou Sundiata about receiving a kidney transplant from a female friend. He\nmentioned that transplant recipients sometimes report taking on attributes\nof the donors.\n\nIt made me think of Marble and Rose.\n\n-- Crush" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "cilluff1 at optonline.net", "address": "cilluff1 at optonline.net" }, "date": "2002-11-20T21:26:43+00:00", "subject": "RE: (urth) Marble on NPR", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Crush wrote:\n\n<>\n\n...or the Treehouse of Horror where Homer gets a hair transplant from Snake.\n\n: )\n\n- Joe" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Chris", "address": "rasputin_ at hotmail.com" }, "date": "2002-11-20T22:22:02+00:00", "subject": "Re: (urth) Marble on NPR", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "You know, since you mention it I have to bring up something that's been \nnagging at me persistently since I first read it.\n\nThe easiest and most coherent explanation of what happens with Marble and \nRose is exactly as you describe, that some of the attributes/personality of \nRose came over with her parts when Marble scavenged them. This is what I \nintuited, at any event, even before Silk realizes what's going on. *But* \nthen I got thrown a loop which I find disturbing. There's a passage where \nRose/Marble is speaking as Rose, which basically implies that she was \npresent in Marble *before* the parts came over. I this is the same passage \nwhere she uses the phrase \"reclaim\" (in reference to the prosthetics) which \nhas led some people here to theorize that it was Marble speaking, and that \nRose had originally taken those parts from Marble long ago. However, the \nsense of it was that Rose was explaining why she had to take back the parts \nfrom her old body, and it makes no sense for her to go through this thought \nprocess (even as a rationalization) unless she was present in Marble just \nbeforehand.\n\nOf course, Rose/Marble could just be very confused by what she's gone \nthrough. I am uncomfortable dismissing it so easily, though.\n\nChris" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Today on National Public Radio, Terry Gross of \"Fresh Air\" interviewed poet\nSekou Sundiata about receiving a kidney transplant from a female friend. He\nmentioned that transplant recipients sometimes report taking on attributes\nof the donors.\n\nIt made me think of Marble and Rose.\n\n-- Crush\n\n\n\n\n--" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes", "address": "ddanehy at siebel.com" }, "date": "2002-11-20T22:52:05+00:00", "subject": "RE: (urth) Marble on NPR", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Crush wrote..." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "The easiest and most coherent explanation of what happens \nwith Marble and Rose is exactly as you describe, that some\nof the attributes/personality of Rose came over with her\nparts when Marble scavenged them. " }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Agreement: I understand/understood this* as based on the\nholographic model of memory. In this model, we postulate \nmemories as stored not in a specific \"location\" but \ndistributed, like the information which constitutes a \nhologram, throughout the host's neural net/nervous system.\n\n-----\n* I mean understanding in the scientific/scientifictional\n sense of \"finding a rational/rationalizing explanation \n for\"; with the Books of the Foo Sun, we also have to allow \n for at least the possibility of a \"mystical\" and/or \n \"spiritual\" explanation, too.\n-----\n\nThus, with a bit of hokey-pokey and handwaving, we say \nthat Rose's \"parts,\" connected for so long to her nervous\nsystem, participate in the holographic storage of her memory.\nWhen removed from her body and attached to Marble's, they \ncarry that holographic store of memory with them, like the\npieces of a cut-up hologram that still show the \"whole\" \npicture (albeit with blurred detail: see also Samuel R.\nDelany's stories \"High Weir\" and \"Time Considered as a \nSemi-Precious Stone\"). \n\nI expect that, yes, Rorble/Mase does undergo a great deal of\nconfusion, leading to the comments you cite. Later, she makes\ncomments about how she had not fully \"integrated\" Rose's \nmemories.\n\nThe Morsle/Rabe case also sets up (though I do not think \nit \"foreshadows\" in the sense that Wolfe probably did not\nhave the plot of SS in mind when he created this particular\nsituation) the confusing state of the Narrator of SS.\n\nI can't help wondering, though, whether Wolfe intended a\nsly tribute to William Gibson in this. After all, I think\nit reasonable to refer to the memories that Marble receives\nfrom her beneficiary as \"Fragments of a Hologram Rose.\"\n\nScurrying _very_ quickly under the sink," } ] } ] }