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  "thread": {
    "id": 3597,
    "subject": "Narrative reliability in the Sun Cycle",
    "messages": 1,
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    "first": "2002-11-22T05:21:41+00:00",
    "last": "2002-11-22T05:21:41+00:00"
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      "message_id": "<urth-v0211-2213@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Don Doggett",
        "address": "harlekin at earthlink.net"
      },
      "date": "2002-11-22T05:21:41+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Narrative reliability in the Sun Cycle",
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          "text": "There is none. :)  But seriously folks, I just flew in from Green (Lune) and\nboy are my arms tired.  Da Da.  Okay, honestly seriously this time, I've\nbeen looking through the last several posts and there is nothing to convince\nme to abandon my position on Blue as Ushas.  The thirty years bits all refer\nto things that have happened inside the Whorl and they all hinge on one\nidea, namely that Quetzal somehow entered the Whorl from Green or Blue\nthirty years ago.  An easy way around that is to say that Quetzal has been\non the Whorl from the start.  Nowhere, to the best of my knowledge, is the\nlifespan of an Inhumu given in the text.  For goodness sake, Jahlee was\nburied underground for months without nourishment (very plant like if you\nask me, which you didn't) so they're obviously very hardy.  Likewise, there\nis nothing that I have said to convince someone who wants to believe\notherwise.  That, I'm realizing, is the beauty of these books.  Severian is\na liar.  Everything in the Book of the Long Sun is written by Horn and\nNettle, so even Silk's experiences are at best second hand information.\nShort Sun is even worse: thenarrator doesn't even know his own identity and\nthen the last third of the book is second hand information!  Good fishing\nindeed!  I've had my two cents on the issue and I remain convinced that my\ntheories can at least survive this maelstrom.  And I'm appreciative that\npeople find them worth responding to.  I'm done with arguing Blue as Ushas,\nat least until I reread LS and SS thoroughly.  But I'll be back, oh yes.\nI'll leave you all with this question:  Do you think the people of New Viron\ncook their (Jan) Hus on a spit over an open flame?  \"Good King Wenceslas da\nda, la la, something something\"\n\nDon\n\n\"Wherever you go,\" said the Patriarch, \"I'm convinced you'll come to no\ngood.  So remember, when you get into trouble, I absolutely forbid you to\nsay that you are my disciple.  If you give a hint of any such thing I shall\nflay you alive, break all your bones, and banish your soul to the Place of\nNinefold Darkness, where it will remain for ten thousan aeons.\"  \"I\ncertainly won't venture to say a word about you,\" promised Monkey.  \"I'll\nsay I found it all out for myself.\""
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