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  "thread": {
    "id": 3620,
    "subject": "absurd time anchor",
    "messages": 2,
    "voices": 2,
    "first": "2002-11-27T14:50:14+00:00",
    "last": "2002-11-27T17:05:43+00:00"
  },
  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0211-2274@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "maa32",
        "address": "maa32 at dana.ucc.nau.edu"
      },
      "date": "2002-11-27T14:50:14+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) absurd time anchor",
      "in_reply_to": null,
      "reply_link": null,
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          "text": "Here are two absurd theories that attempt to account for the time travel to \nthat particular point in Urth's history where Silk can meet Severian as a \nyoung man.  \nHere is one: that Severian is actually going back with them to be placed in \nthe tomb he will one day lie in - part of Scylla is Severian, who is ACTUALLY \nthe dark spot floating next to the boat in both worlds (as the Vanished Person \nSwimmer who comes up on Horn's boat)- and perhaps he is folded into himself in \nthe past of Urth and this explains why Severian always had some presentiment \nof his future from the very beginning.  Of course, this only accouts for \nSeverian's presence on Blue in the last two visits to Urth, not in the first \ncase with Rigolio.  Or perhaps when he goes back he joins up with Scylla to \nrest inside Oreb.  But it does account for his statement that he will end up \nin that tomb, which we have never seen actuated.\n\nThe other is that Severian is a vortex of time - a vivimancer, who attracts \nanyone with the ability to cross time (like the green man or Ossipago, et al.)\n\nOr the affinity between Malrubius and Silk could serve as that anchor.  I need \nto re-read the texts again.  I will find a link the next time through.\nMarc Aramini"
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0211-2279@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Chris",
        "address": "rasputin_ at hotmail.com"
      },
      "date": "2002-11-27T17:05:43+00:00",
      "subject": "Re: (urth) absurd time anchor",
      "in_reply_to": "<urth-v0211-2274@digest.urth.net>",
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          "text": "I don't know about the first (though I have my own theory as to Severian's \npresentiments, and the apparent Severian/Severian-2 deal).\n\nWith the second, though, the problem is that even if Severian is a sort of \nmagnet for such events, Severian is practically everywhere and everywhen. So \nnot only does he have to be a vortex, but he has to be more of a vortex at \nthat *particular* time than any other time.\n\nChris"
        },
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          "text": "Here are two absurd theories that attempt to account for the time travel to\nthat particular point in Urth's history where Silk can meet Severian as a\nyoung man.\nHere is one: that Severian is actually going back with them to be placed in\nthe tomb he will one day lie in - part of Scylla is Severian, who is \nACTUALLY\nthe dark spot floating next to the boat in both worlds (as the Vanished \nPerson\nSwimmer who comes up on Horn's boat)- and perhaps he is folded into himself \nin\nthe past of Urth and this explains why Severian always had some \npresentiment\nof his future from the very beginning.  Of course, this only accouts for\nSeverian's presence on Blue in the last two visits to Urth, not in the \nfirst\ncase with Rigolio.  Or perhaps when he goes back he joins up with Scylla to\nrest inside Oreb.  But it does account for his statement that he will end \nup\nin that tomb, which we have never seen actuated.\n\nThe other is that Severian is a vortex of time - a vivimancer, who attracts\nanyone with the ability to cross time (like the green man or Ossipago, et \nal.)\n\nOr the affinity between Malrubius and Silk could serve as that anchor.  I \nneed\nto re-read the texts again.  I will find a link the next time through.\nMarc Aramini\n\n\n\n--"
        }
      ]
    }
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