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  "thread": {
    "id": 3710,
    "subject": "cliff + island of the sleeper",
    "messages": 1,
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    "first": "2002-12-23T23:46:09+00:00",
    "last": "2002-12-23T23:46:09+00:00"
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    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0212-2524@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "maa32",
        "address": "maa32 at dana.ucc.nau.edu"
      },
      "date": "2002-12-23T23:46:09+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) cliff + island of the sleeper",
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          "text": "In Return to the Whorl, the narrator scales a huge cliff over the towers of \nthe inhumu while he is being attacked.  He comes to the top to see a black \ndomelike hut, and a man with a colorless cloak and a stiff legged gait (like a \nbird) comes to him.  Then the scene ends.\n\nI propose that this high cliff is the place where the island of the Sleeper at \nthe end of Urth of the New Sun is located.  Severian's been hanging out there \nfor a long time.  I re-read that section and noticed something peculiar about \nthe imagery.  Severian's priest only eats a bite or two, while Severian gorges \nhimself.  Could the priest already have a few chloroplasts in his blood? (As I \nbelieve Silk does - but he is not yet saturated enough to be green - but \nremember how he sickens and wilts in the winter when there is limited \nsunlight?)  The flood waters left this cliff as an island at the end of Urth \nof the New Sun, and Severian must have taken a liking to it.  \nOn this island, Severian comments that he was an apprentice time-traveler, but \nthat the Green man was a Master.  Of course the vanished people must have \naccess to the corridors of time - where else could they go?\n\nIf Severian is on Green, then that probably isn't him on Blue (barring a \ndoubling that perhaps will be discussed here by another poster) touching the \nforehead of Horn in the pit.  If that isn't him, then I propose that a \nneighbor is created in the pit when Horn bleeds in it (lying dead for three \ndays, note, as Christ does before his resurrection) and Horn is awakened in a \ntransfigured state (doubled - one of him, and one vanished person named \n\"horn\".)  Notice that the eucharist is invoked twice - once to indicate the \ncommunion between man and the mechanical world, once to indicate the communion \nbetween man and the natural world.\n\nThen what about the \"immortal\" four armed inhumu coming onto the boat at \nnight?  Some have argued it is an aspect of the mother - I disagree.  I \nthought it might have been Severian because of the claim that Horn makes about \nit being someone who \"thought\" he was favored by the gods but then returned to \nthe ocean for lack of better things to do.  Now I think it may be a neighbor \ncreated by the blood of the pirate woman that Horn shoots immediately before \nthat scene - her corpse falls in the water, and her blood is used to create a \nready made vanished person.  Unless Severian has been doubled.  And it \nwouldn't be the first time, would it?\n\nMarc Aramini"
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