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    "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/3716",
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  "thread": {
    "id": 3716,
    "subject": "terraforming or something else?",
    "messages": 2,
    "voices": 2,
    "first": "2002-12-24T15:55:08+00:00",
    "last": "2002-12-27T20:10:09+00:00"
  },
  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0212-2533@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "maa32",
        "address": "maa32 at dana.ucc.nau.edu"
      },
      "date": "2002-12-24T15:55:08+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) terraforming or something else?",
      "in_reply_to": null,
      "reply_link": null,
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          "text": "As far as I understand it, the oxygen given off by trees might aid in the \nformation of rain and in the formation of an atmosphere, right?\n\nHere is something interesting - remember that Lune is bigger than the moon in \nour time, according to Rudesind the currator.  This either means it was moved \ncloser or it was replaced with a much larger object.  When the long night \nbegins in the miracle of Apu Punchau, instead of the ship blocking out the \nsun, could Severian summon Urth (a doubled version he grabs from somewhen, \nmaybe when he feels himself doubling and splitting in two in that scene where \nhe leaves through his own ear in Citadel of the Autarch at the pelerines \naltar) and replace the moon with it?  Could the passage of the white fountain \ncreate a twin of Urth?  To save Severian in the past with an Urthly eclipse?  \nCould reality have been altered in the solar system so that there are, and \nalways have been, twin worlds?  Could the introduction or swapping of a planet \nproduce an unstable orbital pattern such as those exhibited by the blue/green \nsystem?  Could the picture of buzz aldron just be from a previous cycle?\n\nI am sure that Green is Urth now. But I don't know what blue is anymore.  And \nif Mr. Wolfe randomly doubled the Urth system, how the hell were we supposed \nto figure that out?  Seems like cheating either way, doesn't it?\n\nBy the way, there is evidence that there isn't the same kind of biotic life on \nBlue that there is on Green, and that Blue is even colder than the Urth of \nSeverian's time.  Here is my question - if Green is bigger, but farther away, \nthan the moon of our time, what kind of effect would it have on the tides of a \nhypothetically flooded moon?  They would be greater from farther away than the \neffect of the moon on our tides from a closer range, right?\n\nAnd if people were doubled somehow, and the planet doubled as well through \nsome kind of mirror reality created through Inire's mirror universe, might not \nthey appear doubled in limbs, too?  As the vanished people do?  Have people \ngone up one dimension, and as a result become \"weird\" looking?\n\nI am so confused right now.\n\nMarc Aramini"
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0212-2541@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "tom",
        "address": "tom at bitterman.net"
      },
      "date": "2002-12-27T20:10:09+00:00",
      "subject": "Re: (urth) terraforming or something else?",
      "in_reply_to": "<urth-v0212-2533@digest.urth.net>",
      "reply_link": "subject",
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          "text": "maa32 writes:"
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          "depth": 1,
          "text": "And if people were doubled somehow, and the planet doubled as well through \nsome kind of mirror reality created through Inire's mirror universe, might not \nthey appear doubled in limbs, too?  As the vanished people do?  Have people \ngone up one dimension, and as a result become \"weird\" looking?"
        },
        {
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          "text": "Maybe I'm just stating the obvious here, but the \"doubled\" people\nseem right out of Aristophanes speech in the _Symposium_.  See:\nhttp://ibiblio.org/gutenberg/etext99/sympo10.txt.  The Neighbors\nare then the \"old guard\" - they're the best the classical world\ncould come up with, yet have failed to meet the challenge of the\ninhumi.  It's time now for Christianity to have a go at it.  Where\ndo the Neighbors go?  Into mythology."
        },
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          "depth": 1,
          "text": "Marc Aramini"
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "Tom"
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