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  "thread": {
    "id": 3718,
    "subject": "Double planets not necessary",
    "messages": 1,
    "voices": 1,
    "first": "2002-12-24T18:10:22+00:00",
    "last": "2002-12-24T18:10:22+00:00"
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    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0212-2535@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Jeff Veyera",
        "address": "teflon93 at cox.net"
      },
      "date": "2002-12-24T18:10:22+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Double planets not necessary",
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          "text": "Marc wrote:\nAs far as I understand it, the oxygen given off by trees might aid in the\nformation of rain and in the formation of an atmosphere, right?\n\nHere is something interesting - remember that Lune is bigger than the moon\nin\nour time, according to Rudesind the currator.  This either means it was\nmoved\ncloser or it was replaced with a much larger object.  When the long night\nbegins in the miracle of Apu Punchau, instead of the ship blocking out the\nsun, could Severian summon Urth (a doubled version he grabs from somewhen,\nmaybe when he feels himself doubling and splitting in two in that scene\nwhere\nhe leaves through his own ear in Citadel of the Autarch at the pelerines\naltar) and replace the moon with it?  Could the passage of the white\nfountain\ncreate a twin of Urth?  To save Severian in the past with an Urthly eclipse?\nCould reality have been altered in the solar system so that there are, and\nalways have been, twin worlds?  Could the introduction or swapping of a\nplanet\nproduce an unstable orbital pattern such as those exhibited by the\nblue/green\nsystem?  Could the picture of buzz aldron just be from a previous cycle?\n\nI am sure that Green is Urth now. But I don't know what blue is anymore.\nAnd\nif Mr. Wolfe randomly doubled the Urth system, how the hell were we supposed\nto figure that out?  Seems like cheating either way, doesn't it?\n\nBy the way, there is evidence that there isn't the same kind of biotic life\non\nBlue that there is on Green, and that Blue is even colder than the Urth of\nSeverian's time.  Here is my question - if Green is bigger, but farther\naway,\nthan the moon of our time, what kind of effect would it have on the tides of\na\nhypothetically flooded moon?  They would be greater from farther away than\nthe\neffect of the moon on our tides from a closer range, right?\n\nAnd if people were doubled somehow, and the planet doubled as well through\nsome kind of mirror reality created through Inire's mirror universe, might\nnot\nthey appear doubled in limbs, too?  As the vanished people do?  Have people\ngone up one dimension, and as a result become \"weird\" looking?\n\nI am so confused right now.\n\nMarc Aramini\n\nI reply:\n\nI think you're still trying to explain the alien nature of the Neighbors and\nthose 8 limbs with all this talk of planetary doubling.  If Green is Urth,\nthat is not truly necessary---doesn't the text indicate the Neighbors arose\non Blue and later colonized Green?  If so, it seems to make some sense that\nBlue's fauna would be different from Green's, perhaps genetically engineered\nfor survival in a lunar terraforming effort in the distant past."
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