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This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 3730, "subject": "DOORS: some questions and thoughts", "messages": 4, "voices": 3, "first": "2002-12-30T14:09:55+00:00", "last": "2003-01-02T13:31:58+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "StoneOx17", "address": "stoneox17 at aol.com" }, "date": "2002-12-30T14:09:55+00:00", "subject": "(urth) DOORS: some questions and thoughts", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I'm rereading \"There are Doors\" again, and am around a third of the way\nthrough. Here are some questions and comments.\n\nDid Lara really turn winter into summer? (p 26, Tor mass market edition;\naround 4 pages into chapter 4.) Or did they walk through a \"door into\nsummer\"? How is this connected with her mythological aspect as the \nGoddess? How does the flow of time run in the two worlds anyway?\nAs Goddess, is Lara bound by it?\n\nThe hero's last name is Green (although Wolfe always refer to him as\n\"he\". Do we ever learn his first name?\n\nThere are quite a few asides about Green's mother, some rather\nintriguing (\"Surely his mother had taught him a spell for salamanders.\")\nI pretty much ignored them in my prenious readings, but I suspect \nthere's an important reason for them. This time, I'll try to pay more \nattention.\n\nThere seem to be some references to \"Peace.\" Am I reading too \nmuch into things? Here they are:\n\n\"... wondering if he was not in fact dead. He remembered hearing \nabout Purgatory as a child; even then he had not believed it, but \nperhaps he had been wrong ...\" (p. 111)\n\n\"He felt that he himself was only a ghost, riding a ghostly elevator in\na phantom hotel, that this building had fallen to the wrecking ball long\nago ...\" (p. 114)\n\nAre there any references to other Wolfe books?\n\n--Stone Ox" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Spectacled Bear", "address": "spectacled.bear at pobox.com" }, "date": "2003-01-02T12:45:54+00:00", "subject": "Re: (urth) DOORS: some questions and thoughts", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "At 14:09 2002-12-30, StoneOx17 at aol.com wrote:\nThe hero's last name is Green (although Wolfe always refer to him as\n\"he\". Do we ever learn his first name?" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "It's a very long time since I read Doors, but I don't think his name\nis really Green. He is asked his name, doesn't answer, then gives Green\nas the answer to a different question.\n\nThere, now we can have two is-it-really-Green? threads going.\nWatch out for the trees....\n\nSpectacled Bear." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Joe Cilluffo", "address": "cilluff1 at optonline.net" }, "date": "2003-01-02T13:28:58+00:00", "subject": "RE: (urth) DOORS: some questions and thoughts", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I'm only 70 pages in, but I'm under the impression that Green actually\nis his last name (or at least he thinks it is). When he first appears\nat the Downtown Mental Health Center you are correct, he explains that\ngreen is a bluish green (there, that should make the debate even more\napropos for the list, we're discussing Blue and Green!). The nurse then\nbegins calling him Mr. Green, which is the mixup you refer to. However,\nwe then read as she continues to call him Mr. Green \"He started to ask\nhow she knew his name (he had refused to give it to the temporary\nreceptionist) but he thought better of it.\" (Orb, pp. 5-6)\n\nI took this to mean that the nurse interpreted his explanation of what\nviridian is (...Green) as providing his last name to her prompt of\n\"Viridian, Mr. ...?\" but that, though she mistook his explanation, she\nstill arrived at the correct name.\n\nFollow up question -- is the protagonist of TAD really Urth's The Green\nMan??? ; )\n\n- Shell\n\n-----Original Message-----\nFrom: Spectacled Bear [mailto:spectacled.bear at pobox.com] \nSent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 7:46 AM\nTo: urth at urth.net\nSubject: Re: (urth) DOORS: some questions and thoughts" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "At 14:09 2002-12-30, StoneOx17 at aol.com wrote:\nThe hero's last name is Green (although Wolfe always refer to him as\n\"he\". Do we ever learn his first name?" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "It's a very long time since I read Doors, but I don't think his name\nis really Green. He is asked his name, doesn't answer, then gives Green\nas the answer to a different question.\n\nThere, now we can have two is-it-really-Green? threads going.\nWatch out for the trees....\n\nSpectacled Bear." }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "-- " } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Joe Cilluffo", "address": "cilluff1 at optonline.net" }, "date": "2003-01-02T13:31:58+00:00", "subject": "RE: (urth) DOORS: some questions and thoughts", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Incidentally, I meant to say he explains that \"Viridian is a bluish\ngreen,\" not \"green is a bluish green.\" Sorry for the mixup, I haven't\nhad my coffee yet!\n\n-----Original Message-----\nFrom: Joe Cilluffo [mailto:cilluff1 at optonline.net] \nSent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 8:29 AM\nTo: urth at urth.net\nSubject: RE: (urth) DOORS: some questions and thoughts\n\nI'm only 70 pages in, but I'm under the impression that Green actually\nis his last name (or at least he thinks it is). When he first appears\nat the Downtown Mental Health Center you are correct, he explains that\ngreen is a bluish green (there, that should make the debate even more\napropos for the list, we're discussing Blue and Green!). The nurse then\nbegins calling him Mr. Green, which is the mixup you refer to. However,\nwe then read as she continues to call him Mr. Green \"He started to ask\nhow she knew his name (he had refused to give it to the temporary\nreceptionist) but he thought better of it.\" (Orb, pp. 5-6)\n\nI took this to mean that the nurse interpreted his explanation of what\nviridian is (...Green) as providing his last name to her prompt of\n\"Viridian, Mr. ...?\" but that, though she mistook his explanation, she\nstill arrived at the correct name.\n\nFollow up question -- is the protagonist of TAD really Urth's The Green\nMan??? ; )\n\n- Shell\n\n-----Original Message-----\nFrom: Spectacled Bear [mailto:spectacled.bear at pobox.com] \nSent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 7:46 AM\nTo: urth at urth.net\nSubject: Re: (urth) DOORS: some questions and thoughts" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "At 14:09 2002-12-30, StoneOx17 at aol.com wrote:\nThe hero's last name is Green (although Wolfe always refer to him as\n\"he\". Do we ever learn his first name?" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "It's a very long time since I read Doors, but I don't think his name\nis really Green. He is asked his name, doesn't answer, then gives Green\nas the answer to a different question.\n\nThere, now we can have two is-it-really-Green? threads going.\nWatch out for the trees....\n\nSpectacled Bear." }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "-- \n\n\n-- " } ] } ] }