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This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 3780, "subject": "Off topic: Solaris", "messages": 6, "voices": 4, "first": "2003-01-20T23:04:40+00:00", "last": "2003-01-22T12:38:14+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Nigel Price", "address": "nigel.a.price at virgin.net" }, "date": "2003-01-20T23:04:40+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Off topic: Solaris", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Echoing what Andy said, thanks, Nutria, for all the stuff on Solaris, which\nwas fascinating. Thanks, too, while, I'm about it, for your speculative\ninterpretation of the symbolism in the Blue-Green-Whorl triangle back on 4\nJanuary (cf (urth) Blue-Ushas; Green-Urth -- Problems). That was very\nhelpful, and I was surprised that no one followed you up on that specific\nline of thought.\n\nBut about Solaris: I loved the original Russian film, which I went to see\ntwice in the week it came out in this country and have seen several times\nsince. When I heard that Hollywood was doing a remake, I could hardly\nbelieve that they would do anything so hubristic and utterly redundant.\nAnyway, I've recovered now, and I gather that the new version is now on\ngeneral release in the States. An off-topic question, therefore, to you and\nothers who have seen the new movie, which won't get to the UK for a while I\nsuspect: is it any good? Reply off-list if you think it more appropriate!\n\nA secondary question: does anyone know whether there is an English\ntranslation of Lem's novel other than the one that was made from the French\ntranslation? That one's OK, but frustratingly \"secondhand\".\n\nNigel [who is now wondering about possible Christian symbolism in\nTarkovsky's \"Stalker\", the film version of the Strugatskys' novel \"Roadside\nPicnic\", which seems fairly absurdist and nihilistic to me]" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "James Jordan", "address": "jbjordan4 at cox.net" }, "date": "2003-01-21T03:03:19+00:00", "subject": "Re: (urth) Off topic: Solaris", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "At 05:04 PM 1/20/2003, you wrote:\nEchoing what Andy said, thanks, Nutria, for all the stuff on Solaris, which\nwas fascinating." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": " Well, I feel pretty sure about it. I've written to one of the \nTarkovsky websites about this interpretation, to see if I can get any kind \nof interaction. Solaris is the only Tark film I've seen, so I don't have \nmuch context for my views. (Films like this only show in arthouses in huge \ncities, and I've never lived in such. And I don't feel like putting out the \nmoney to buy all of them on DVD.) As I recall, the Vatican gave him some \nkind of award for Solaris, which indicates to me that I'm not too far offbase." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "But about Solaris: I loved the original Russian film, which I went to see\ntwice in the week it came out in this country and have seen several times\nsince. When I heard that Hollywood was doing a remake, I could hardly\nbelieve that they would do anything so hubristic and utterly redundant.\nAnyway, I've recovered now, and I gather that the new version is now on\ngeneral release in the States. An off-topic question, therefore, to you and\nothers who have seen the new movie, which won't get to the UK for a while I\nsuspect: is it any good? Reply off-list if you think it more appropriate!" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": " Well, I don't mind replying here onlist, but I don't have much to \nsay. I saw the Tark version about a decade ago on video (the new DVD is \nmuch clearer). I did not have it enough in mind, therefore, to make much of \na comparison with the new Soderberg version. There's nothing about the \nfather in Soderberg; it's exclusively about Kelvin and Hani, and I guess \nkind of Hollywoody in that regard (love and sex). It's \"Hani\" who greets \nKelvin when he falls to Solaris at the end, and she says \"all is forgiven,\" \nwhich seemed almost to come out of nowhere. But I need to see the movie \nagain and look for deeper elements, if there are any.\n Heck, I've never even read the book! I just liked the movie, and \nthought it might make a good example for what we were discussing. (And \nafter all, Lem rejected the movie, so reading the novel is not very germane.)\n\nNutricious Nutria, the Other Brown Meat" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "James Jordan", "address": "jbjordan4 at cox.net" }, "date": "2003-01-21T03:27:17+00:00", "subject": "Re: (urth) Off topic: Solaris", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Nigel,\n you might look at:\n\nhttp://www.shakingthrough.net/head2head/reviews/2002/movies_solaris_1972_vs_solaris_2002_2002.htm\n\nNutria" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Jeff Veyera", "address": "teflon93 at cox.net" }, "date": "2003-01-21T05:12:43+00:00", "subject": "RE: (urth) Off topic: Solaris", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Avoid Solaris (2002) like the plague--- it is nothing more than a 2-hr Yanni\nvideo with intermittent shots of George Clooney's buttocks." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Josh Geller", "address": "dclxvi at dclxvi.best.vwh.net" }, "date": "2003-01-21T05:27:53+00:00", "subject": "RE: (urth) Off topic: Solaris", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Mon, 20 Jan 2003, Jeff Veyera wrote:\nAvoid Solaris (2002) like the plague--- it is nothing more than a 2-hr Yanni\nvideo with intermittent shots of George Clooney's buttocks." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "IHNJH, IJLS: \"A 2-hr Yanni video with intermittent shots of George\nClooney's buttocks\".\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Nigel Price", "address": "nigel.a.price at virgin.net" }, "date": "2003-01-22T12:38:14+00:00", "subject": "RE: (urth) Off topic: Solaris", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Nutria suggested I look at a website for a sensible review of the new film\nof \"Solaris\".\n\nThank you! At last, a sensible and intelligent review. I'd read half a dozen\npreviously on the web, but whether they liked the new film or not, their\nreasons for doing so were uniformly crass.\n\nNigel" } ] } ] }