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This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 3791, "subject": "Latro series, supplemental Graves", "messages": 3, "voices": 2, "first": "2003-01-22T00:03:54+00:00", "last": "2003-01-24T11:08:15+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Tami Whitehead", "address": "razorkittee at yahoo.com" }, "date": "2003-01-22T00:03:54+00:00", "subject": "Re: (urth) Latro series, supplemental Graves", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I am glad that the discussion has turned to Latro,\nsince that was how I first found and loved Wolfe. I am\nnot qualified to comment on or discuss Long Sun or New\nSuns or the like, but on Latro and Graves, I feel more\ncompetent to put in my two cents...sorta.\n\nI agree with those who advocate, if not a working\nknowledge of Greek history and mythology, at least\nhaving a couple of reference books handy during the\nreading. Or both . Those who adore Wolfe-ish\ntwists and devious sub-plots, etc, it really does shed\nanother dimension on an already rather fun twist on\nthe sword and sorcery genre. \n\nAs Russel points out, Herodotus and Xenophon are the\nmost relevant, and are in themselves enjoyable reads.\nIf you crave brave deeds and bloody battles and omens\nand such, you can't go much wrong there, and Latro\nfans will enjoy a bit of the \"straight stuff\" I think.\n\n\nFor Graves, I recommend Greek Myths 1&2, available in\npaperback from Penguin. I think folks should have it\non their shelves just because it's a handy and\ninsightful little work, but certainly makes keeping up\nwith all the characters a bit easier...conveniant\nindices and chapter headings make look-up quick and\neasy, and the bibliography for each section is pretty\nimpressive, and draws from a number of sources, so you\nget a pretty balanced layout of the myth and\ncharacters, as well as a bit of historical perspective\nin the commentary which follows each section. \n\nIn another Doors post, someone asked about lunar\ncalenders and 13 months etc, and someone responded\nwith a bit of information of interalary or leap days,\nmonths etc. Graves also treated this subject\nspecifically, and the question of Man's Implied\nRelationship with Goddess in his book the White\nGoddess, though I hesitate to recommend it--it's one\nof those books you really gotta want to read straight\nthrough to do so, and even then it's not in most folks\nsphere of interest, being about 500 pages of rather\narcane decryption of Welsh Verse and mythic riddles\nand ancient calender systems relating to the epigraphy\nof celtic writing systems...but if that's your bag,\nyou'll love it. The reason I even mention it, since\nWolfe seems to be familiar with the one set of Graves'\nbooks (and that is apparant as you read one with the\nother) it may be that in Green's Goddess, there are\nsimilar elements. I throw that out for the Doors fans\njust as an idea, and I'll leave it at that. \n\n((Honestly, I read Doors, and just sat and scratched\nmy head for a day or so. It reminded me a bit of\nLilith, by ol' what's his name, friend and\ncontemporary of C S Lewis etc...rats, what's his name,\nbut you know the one, Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe\nfor adults, with a tad un-orthodox Christian\nsymbolism...))" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Josh Geller", "address": "dclxvi at dclxvi.best.vwh.net" }, "date": "2003-01-24T10:10:08+00:00", "subject": "Re: (urth) Latro series, supplemental Graves", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Plutarch's Life" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, Tami Whitehead wrote:\nI am glad that the discussion has turned to Latro,\nsince that was how I first found and loved Wolfe. I am\nnot qualified to comment on or discuss Long Sun or New\nSuns or the like, but on Latro and Graves, I feel more\ncompetent to put in my two cents...sorta.\n\nI agree with those who advocate, if not a working\nknowledge of Greek history and mythology, at least\nhaving a couple of reference books handy during the\nreading. Or both . Those who adore Wolfe-ish\ntwists and devious sub-plots, etc, it really does shed\nanother dimension on an already rather fun twist on\nthe sword and sorcery genre.\n\nAs Russel points out, Herodotus and Xenophon are the\nmost relevant, and are in themselves enjoyable reads.\nIf you crave brave deeds and bloody battles and omens\nand such, you can't go much wrong there, and Latro\nfans will enjoy a bit of the \"straight stuff\" I think.\n\n\nFor Graves, I recommend Greek Myths 1&2, available in\npaperback from Penguin. I think folks should have it\non their shelves just because it's a handy and\ninsightful little work, but certainly makes keeping up\nwith all the characters a bit easier...conveniant\nindices and chapter headings make look-up quick and\neasy, and the bibliography for each section is pretty\nimpressive, and draws from a number of sources, so you\nget a pretty balanced layout of the myth and\ncharacters, as well as a bit of historical perspective\nin the commentary which follows each section.\n\nIn another Doors post, someone asked about lunar\ncalenders and 13 months etc, and someone responded\nwith a bit of information of interalary or leap days,\nmonths etc. Graves also treated this subject\nspecifically, and the question of Man's Implied\nRelationship with Goddess in his book the White\nGoddess, though I hesitate to recommend it--it's one\nof those books you really gotta want to read straight\nthrough to do so, and even then it's not in most folks\nsphere of interest, being about 500 pages of rather\narcane decryption of Welsh Verse and mythic riddles\nand ancient calender systems relating to the epigraphy\nof celtic writing systems...but if that's your bag,\nyou'll love it. The reason I even mention it, since\nWolfe seems to be familiar with the one set of Graves'\nbooks (and that is apparant as you read one with the\nother) it may be that in Green's Goddess, there are\nsimilar elements. I throw that out for the Doors fans\njust as an idea, and I'll leave it at that.\n\n((Honestly, I read Doors, and just sat and scratched\nmy head for a day or so. It reminded me a bit of\nLilith, by ol' what's his name, friend and\ncontemporary of C S Lewis etc...rats, what's his name,\nbut you know the one, Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe\nfor adults, with a tad un-orthodox Christian\nsymbolism...))\n\n\n\n\n\n__________________________________________________\nDo you Yahoo!?\nYahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now.\nhttp://mailplus.yahoo.com\n\n--" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Josh Geller", "address": "dclxvi at dclxvi.best.vwh.net" }, "date": "2003-01-24T11:08:15+00:00", "subject": "Re: (urth) Latro series, supplemental Graves", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Sorry folks: I thought that was the delete button, not the send button.\n\nJ.\n\n___" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Fri, 24 Jan 2003, Josh Geller wrote:\n\nPlutarch's Life [....]" } ] } ] }