# Apollo and Pan

*The Urth list — 5 messages, 4 voices, 22 Jan 2003*

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### James Jordan
*22 Jan 2003, 22:33*

The recent mention of Apollo in reference to Severian reminded me of 
something I meant to share earlier. In Ovid, and in Bach's cantata *The 
Contest of Phoebus and Pan,* we have a story of a musical battle between 
Pan (Pas) and Phoebus (Apollo). Pan's music is earthly; Apollo's heavenly. 
Pan challenges Apollo, seeking to usurp the god's position. He loses, of 
course.

Sort of interesting grist for the old Lupine mill, isn't it? I doubt if 
Wolfe knows the Bach, but I'll bet he knows the Ovid.

Nutria

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### Andrew Bollen
*22 Jan 2003, 22:48 · follows James Jordan*

Pan was also the only god to have actually died, according to
somebody-or-other.

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### Dan'l Danehy-Oakes
*23 Jan 2003, 00:33 · follows Andrew Bollen*

> Pan was also the only god to have actually died, according to=20
> somebody-or-other.

Not so; Dionysius also died. Frequently.

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### Andrew Bollen
*23 Jan 2003, 00:40 · follows Dan'l Danehy-Oakes*

> Pan was also the only god to have actually died, according to 
> somebody-or-other.

Not so; Dionysius also died. Frequently.

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"Died" as in died, and not reborn.

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### James Wynn
*23 Jan 2003, 18:01 · follows Andrew Bollen*

>>> Pan was also the only god to have actually died, according to
>>> somebody-or-other.

>> Not so; Dionysius also died. Frequently.

> "Died" as in died, and not reborn.

Also, different from the resurrected Zeus whose grave(s?) was displayed to
pilgrims at Crete. I believe **this** comes into to play in "The Long Sun"
with Pas' reputed death.

The report of Pan's death comes from Plutarch. See the final note on "Pan
His Nature and Deeds" in Graves' "The Greek Myths" for details on this.
-- Crush

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