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  "thread": {
    "id": 3799,
    "subject": "for andrew - silk surfaces because horn leaves",
    "messages": 3,
    "voices": 3,
    "first": "2003-01-23T14:27:53+00:00",
    "last": "2003-01-23T15:09:48+00:00"
  },
  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0301-2780@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "maa32",
        "address": "maa32 at dana.ucc.nau.edu"
      },
      "date": "2003-01-23T14:27:53+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) for andrew - silk surfaces because horn leaves",
      "in_reply_to": null,
      "reply_link": null,
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          "text": "I MUST disagree with Andrew on Babbie going into Horn - the reason that Silk \nsurfaces in this scene is because Horn wants to leave and be done with his \nstory - that's why he says goodbye under that big tree.  He leaves, but the \ntree sends him into Babbie.  Re-read the end of Return to the Whorl where \nBabbie is present in the astral visit - he continually points to his \"HORNS\" \nsaying \"huh-huh-huh\" and hugs Horn's son vigorously, not letting him go and \nlooking at him protectively.  This is the action of a father seeing his son, \nbut his son doesn't recognize him.\n\nSilk comes to the fore here - the voice in narration changes right after Horn \nsays goodbye.  Then Silk tries to deny that a part of Horn had to leave for \nSilk to surface, and he represses his identity so that Horn may live, just as \nHorn tried to suppress his identity so Silk might live.  This all occurs at \nthe end of On Blue's Waters.  Remember that Horn has to ride a beast with \nthree horns, Babbie.  There is too much evidence for Horn going into Babbie to \nthink that Babbie goes into Horn/Silk.\n\nMarc Aramini"
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0301-2781@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Andrew Bollen",
        "address": "abollen at internode.on.net"
      },
      "date": "2003-01-23T14:50:22+00:00",
      "subject": "Re: (urth) for andrew - silk surfaces because horn leaves",
      "in_reply_to": "<urth-v0301-2780@digest.urth.net>",
      "reply_link": "subject",
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          "text": "Marc wrote:\nI MUST disagree with Andrew on Babbie going into Horn - the reason that\nSilk\nsurfaces in this scene is because Horn wants to leave and be done with his\nstory - that's why he says goodbye under that big tree.\nHe leaves, but the\ntree sends him into Babbie."
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "But SilkHorn saying goodbye to Nettle etc under the tree happens *after* the\ncalling episode."
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "Re-read the end of Return to the Whorl where\nBabbie is present in the astral visit - he continually points to his\n\"HORNS\"\nsaying \"huh-huh-huh\" and hugs Horn's son vigorously, not letting him go\nand\nlooking at him protectively.  This is the action of a father seeing his\nson,\nbut his son doesn't recognize him."
        },
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          "text": "A problem with this remains: why can Scylla-spirit-in-Oreb articulate words,\nwhere Horn-spirit-in-Babbie cannot? I can buy a little of this, though:\nBabbie has been in Horn on my reading, so maybe some Horniness sticks?"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "Silk comes to the fore here - the voice in narration changes right after\nHorn\nsays goodbye."
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "But (textually, at least), the meeting in the forest happens immediately\nafter the goodbye."
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "Remember that Horn has to ride a beast with\nthree horns, Babbie."
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "But SilkHorn says explicitly in his account of the first meeting with Mucor\nand Marble (OBW, end Ch 3): \"On Green I rode a three-horned beast, as\nMaytera foresaw. Indeed, I was riding it at the time I was wounded fatally.\""
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0301-2782@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "cilluff1 at optonline.net",
        "address": "cilluff1 at optonline.net"
      },
      "date": "2003-01-23T15:09:48+00:00",
      "subject": "Re: (urth) for andrew - silk surfaces because horn leaves",
      "in_reply_to": "<urth-v0301-2781@digest.urth.net>",
      "reply_link": "subject",
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          "text": "Andrew Bollen writes:\n\n<>\n\nI would imagine that is because Oreb, as a night chough, could articulate\nwords even before Scylla entered him much like a parrot can, but hus cannot\narticulate words at all.  Scylla entering Oreb gave more purpose to Oreb's\nspeech (or a different purpose, if night choughs \"speak\" rather than\nmimic), but Oreb always could articulate.\n\n- Shell   "
        }
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    }
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