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  "thread": {
    "id": 3801,
    "subject": "DOORS: Time flow, death trigger, societies, W.F.",
    "messages": 1,
    "voices": 1,
    "first": "2003-01-23T17:03:08+00:00",
    "last": "2003-01-23T17:03:08+00:00"
  },
  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0301-2784@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Michael Andre-Driussi",
        "address": "mantis at siriusfiction.com"
      },
      "date": "2003-01-23T17:03:08+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) DOORS: Time flow, death trigger, societies, W.F.",
      "in_reply_to": null,
      "reply_link": null,
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          "text": "Roy wrote:\nThe time difference was even greater for those four months Green was gone\nfrom the Otherworld; more like 14 to 1."
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "Yes, something like 14.67, nearly double the previous rate of 8.25 (or at\nleast it is still higher than the probably more accurate 11:1 ratio\nproposed by Stone Ox).  So do we agree that the rate ebbs and flows like a\ntide, or do you think Wolfe was just being sloppy?"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "About the death trigger, Roy wrote:\nI disagree. If the \"death trigger\" mechanism were something that simple,\nsome smart cookie would have made a fortune selling condoms and other\nbarrier methods of birth control. Males in the Otherworld must have an\ninnately weak libido for any such insectile biological reproductive system\nto work. And if that's the case, then they aren't men like us, and North's\nsexual revolution would never even have gotten off the ground."
        },
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          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "That would be a completely different story, wouldn't it?  A more\ntraditional sf story, where a competant technological man discovers a world\nwith such an imbalance, and he goes about fixing it.  In a weak story he\nwould fix it on the first go; or it could cycle through a few fix/breakdown\nstages to reach a new equilibrium.  But TAD is not a story about solving\nthis situation in such a manner; and it is a story which could not take\nplace if the situation had been so solved.\n\n(I'm not saying that the people of Otherworld even know what the trigger\nis, and with all the scientists being women, and \"birth control\" for them\nbeing all about getting more zygotes from reluctant men, well I can see how\nthey would not discover it.  Like all those arguments from women about how\nmale scientists created the Birth Control Pill but to be used by women --\nwhere is the Male Pill, they ask, and then tell you it won't be invented by\nmale scientists.)\n\nThe secret societies: \"Blue Semptember,\" \"Iron Boot,\" and \"Immortals.\"\nNorth does not seem a part of \"Immortals,\" but has he become the chief of\n\"Iron Boot\"?  Fanny is somewhat connected to \"Immortals\": is this a group\nthat captures Earth men (who would not die by zygote transfer), or a\nchastity group?"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "BTW, pursuant to your theory of names and initials, what does W.F. stand\nfor?"
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "Well sure, I guess that the \"W\" is another \"William,\" but that's as far as\nI've gotten.  If it is William, then maybe he is keeping hidden from the\ngoddess by not having that name spoken.\n\n=mantis="
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