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This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 3867, "subject": "The Progeny", "messages": 10, "voices": 7, "first": "2003-02-28T15:50:00+00:00", "last": "2003-03-10T10:49:52+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "MBS 808", "address": "mbs808 at yahoo.com" }, "date": "2003-02-28T15:50:00+00:00", "subject": "(urth) The Progeny", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "GW has been producing excellent works for 30 years now\nand his writing has deserved the (minute) attention we\ngive it.\n\nWho, of the \"younger\" generation, might compare?\n\nPS - a random rave months ago about Jeff Vandermeer on\nthis list is much appreciated. He's great!\n\nAny thoughts on Steven Erikson or Mary Gentle?" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "cilluff1 at optonline.net", "address": "cilluff1 at optonline.net" }, "date": "2003-02-28T16:03:48+00:00", "subject": "RE: (urth) The Progeny", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "VanderMeer is fantastic, Dradin, In Love and the rest of City of Saints and\nMadmen provides the most immersive, fully realized world I've found since\nTBOTNS. \n\nI'm in the middle of Ted Chiang's Stories of Your Life and Others, a\ncollection of all the author's published short stories, it's quite good. \nJonathan Carroll is good too. Perdido Street Station, by China Mieville, I\nthought was mostly very interesting, detailed and enthralling, but in parts\nseemed to bite off more than it could chew (every once in a while it hit\nyou over the head too much, I would think \"now I know how he writes such\nlarge books so quickly, he doesn't edit\"). \n\nOriginal Message:\n-----------------\nFrom: MBS 808 mbs808 at yahoo.com\nDate: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 07:50:00 -0800 (PST)\nTo: urth at urth.net\nSubject: (urth) The Progeny\n\n\n\nGW has been producing excellent works for 30 years now\nand his writing has deserved the (minute) attention we\ngive it.\n\nWho, of the \"younger\" generation, might compare?\n\nPS - a random rave months ago about Jeff Vandermeer on\nthis list is much appreciated. He's great!\n\nAny thoughts on Steven Erikson or Mary Gentle?" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Matthew Weber", "address": "mweber at library.berkeley.edu" }, "date": "2003-02-28T16:11:58+00:00", "subject": "Re: (urth) The Progeny", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "At 07:50 AM 2/28/03 -0800, you wrote:\nGW has been producing excellent works for 30 years now\nand his writing has deserved the (minute) attention we\ngive it.\n\nWho, of the \"younger\" generation, might compare?\n\nPS - a random rave months ago about Jeff Vandermeer on\nthis list is much appreciated. He's great!\n\nAny thoughts on Steven Erikson or Mary Gentle?\n\n__________________________________________________\nDo you Yahoo!?\nYahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more\nhttp://taxes.yahoo.com/\n\n--" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I'm reading Steven Erikson right now, and I'm having a great time with him, \nbut I wouldn't put him anywhere near GW's level as a writer. His \nworld-building and plotting are impressive, and the books are very engaging \n& entertaining, but when all's said & done they're fairly standard epic \nfantasy (though with more moral ambiguity than your standard Tolkien knockoff).\n\n\nMatthew Weber\nCuratorial Assistant\nMusic Library\nUniversity of California, Berkeley\n\nGreat men are not always wise.\n The Holy Bible (The Old Testament): _The Book of Job_, chapter \n32, verse 9" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "matthew.malthouse", "address": "matthew.malthouse at guardian.co.uk" }, "date": "2003-02-28T18:06:38+00:00", "subject": "Re: (urth) The Progeny", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 28/02/2003 15:50:00 MBS 808 wrote:\nAny thoughts on Steven Erikson or Mary Gentle?" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I have just recently been enthralled by Erikson. So loved the four books\nof the Malazan Fallen that I'm not in any state to be (Lit-) critical\nabout them yet.\n\nLong loved Mary Gentle's work. \"Rat's and Gargoyles\" is my favorite\nclosly followed by \"Ash\".\n\nWhat of Alastair Reynolds? \"Revelation Space\", \"Chasm City\", \"Redemption\nArk\".\n\nMatthew" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "matthew.malthouse", "address": "matthew.malthouse at guardian.co.uk" }, "date": "2003-02-28T18:09:42+00:00", "subject": "RE: (urth) The Progeny", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 28/02/2003 16:03:48 cilluff1 wrote:\n Perdido Street Station, by China Mieville, I\nthought was mostly very interesting, detailed and enthralling, but in\nparts\nseemed to bite off more than it could chew (every once in a while it hit\nyou over the head too much, I would think \"now I know how he writes such\nlarge books so quickly, he doesn't edit\")." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I'd partially agree.\n\nThe sequel \"The Scar\" is slightly thiner. :-)\n\n\nMatthew" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes", "address": "ddanehy at siebel.com" }, "date": "2003-02-28T18:25:17+00:00", "subject": "RE: (urth) The Progeny", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "GW has been producing excellent works for 30 years now\nand his writing has deserved the (minute) attention we\ngive it.\n\nWho, of the \"younger\" generation, might compare?" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "H'mmm. I guess some of this depends on what you mean by \n\"younger generation.\" Many of the '60s/'70s \"New Wave\" \nwriters are technically younger than Wolfe. I'll assume\nyou mean someone who came along after, say, William Gibson.\nUnfortunately my chronology isn't that good, right through\nhere, so you'll have to excuse me if I stumble on this.\n\nSome names that might go into a reasonable hat -- people\nwho, while not \"imitation Wolfe\" in any sense, share at\nleast one or two of the virtues that I associate with \nWolfe:\n\no Karen Joy Fowler\no Neil Gaiman\no Peter Hamilton\no China Miéville\no Pat Murphy\no Matt Ruff\no Mary Doria Russell\no Robert J. Sawyer\no Connie Willis \no David Zindell\n\nJust some thoughts..." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Phoebe Davis", "address": "meezer_gal at yahoo.com" }, "date": "2003-03-01T00:52:34+00:00", "subject": "RE: (urth) The Progeny", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Enjoy Gentle will track down Erickson. Jonathan Carroll is a treasure as is Dan Simmons\nand James Blaylock. I thought King Rat by Mieville was a better read if not as dense as\nPerdido St. Certainly Neal Gaiman, Pat Murphy, would include Sherri Tepper's early work.\n \n\nThe one writer that I've ever felt compares with Wolfe on several levels is Tim Powers.\nPowers is Roman Catholic, \"Declare\" is his latest and probably the most emblematic of\nthat. I believe Nick mentions that book in his Washington Post article on GW. Powers'\nwriting style while not identical to Wolfe is elegant and dense. When I owned my own SF\nbookstore, I must have sold 40 copies of \"Last Call\" in hardcover. Last Call was followed\nby Expiration Date and Earthquake Weather. \n\nPhoebe" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "--- Dan'l Danehy-Oakes wrote:\nGW has been producing excellent works for 30 years now\nand his writing has deserved the (minute) attention we\ngive it.\n\nWho, of the \"younger\" generation, might compare?" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "H'mmm. I guess some of this depends on what you mean by \n\"younger generation.\" Many of the '60s/'70s \"New Wave\" \nwriters are technically younger than Wolfe. I'll assume\nyou mean someone who came along after, say, William Gibson.\nUnfortunately my chronology isn't that good, right through\nhere, so you'll have to excuse me if I stumble on this.\n\nSome names that might go into a reasonable hat -- people\nwho, while not \"imitation Wolfe\" in any sense, share at\nleast one or two of the virtues that I associate with \nWolfe:\n\no Karen Joy Fowler\no Neil Gaiman\no Peter Hamilton\no China Miéville\no Pat Murphy\no Matt Ruff\no Mary Doria Russell\no Robert J. Sawyer\no Connie Willis \no David Zindell\n\nJust some thoughts...\n\n--Blattid\n\n\n--" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes", "address": "ddanehy at siebel.com" }, "date": "2003-03-01T01:01:27+00:00", "subject": "RE: (urth) The Progeny", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Phoebe wrote:\nThe one writer that I've ever felt compares with Wolfe on \nseveral levels is Tim Powers. Powers is Roman Catholic, \n\"Declare\" is his latest and probably the most emblematic of \nthat. I believe Nick mentions that book in his Washington \nPost article on GW. Powers' writing style while not \nidentical to Wolfe is elegant and dense. When I owned my own \nSF bookstore, I must have sold 40 copies of \"Last Call\" in \nhardcover. Last Call was followed by Expiration Date and \nEarthquake Weather. " }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Aaargh. I can't _believe_ I left Tim out of my list. I even\nhad my copy of \"Earthquake Weather\" in my pocket when I was \nmaking it. \n\nLast Call / Expiration Date / Earthquake Weather is undoubtedly\nTim's masterpiece to date, but I'd suggest ON STRANGER TIDES as\npossbily the best starting place. It isn't quite as dense as \nthe trilogy, but dense enough to challenge (well, at least to\nchallenge anyone who doesn't swallow Wolfe neat), stands alone,\nand is a ripping good pirate story. (Surely there isn't anyone\nout there immune to the lure of the Pirates of the Caribbean...)\n\nOf course if Tim is anyone's \"progeny\" it's Philip K. Dick's,\nbut even that's too much to claim. He's definitely of his own\nmaking. And if he has a predecessor, it isn't Dick or Wolfe,\nbut Charles Williams..." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Josh Geller", "address": "dclxvi at dclxvi.best.vwh.net" }, "date": "2003-03-01T02:30:59+00:00", "subject": "RE: (urth) The Progeny", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Michael Swanwick is on the same level as Gene Wolfe.\n\nAlso on that level, or just slightly below it, is Patricia Anthony.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "matthew.malthouse", "address": "matthew.malthouse at guardian.co.uk" }, "date": "2003-03-10T10:49:52+00:00", "subject": "RE: (urth) The Progeny", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 28/02/2003 18:25:17 Dan'l Danehy-Oakes wrote:\no David Zindell" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "\"Neverness\" and \"The Requiem for Homo Sapiens\" trilogy both delighted me.\nOne might say Lupine affinities.\n\nHowever I've just read the first and started the second of his more recent\n\"The Ea Cycle\" - set in something akin to the clasical fantasy-magic mould\n- and find myself vastly underwhelmed.\n\nMatthew" } ] } ] }