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  "thread": {
    "id": 3878,
    "subject": "DOORS: places and an accurate prediction?",
    "messages": 2,
    "voices": 2,
    "first": "2003-03-06T23:09:24+00:00",
    "last": "2003-03-07T03:53:30+00:00"
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  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0303-3020@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Michael Andre-Driussi",
        "address": "mantis at siriusfiction.com"
      },
      "date": "2003-03-06T23:09:24+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) DOORS: places and an accurate prediction?",
      "in_reply_to": null,
      "reply_link": null,
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          "text": "In THERE ARE DOORS there's that scene at the map store where Green is\ntrying to buy a map of Overwood and the clerk mentions maps for\n\"Slumberland, Disneyland, Cleveland, and Heaven, Hell, and Limbo--all three\non one map.\"\n\nOf course we like this progression of Slumberland, Disneyland, and\nCleveland, because it moves from what we take to be purely imaginary\n(Slumberland), to a real place built upon imaginary things (Disneyland), to\na purely non-fantastical place (Cleveland).\n\nBut I've noticed that there is a \"Cleveland\" in fantastic fiction: in\nWilliam Morris's THE GLITTERING PLAIN this \"Cleveland-by-the-sea\" is a\nvillage in Northern Europe.  Odd little detail, thought I'd share it.\n\nNext up, a possible strange case of the \"predictive powers\" of genre.\n\nRemember how Lara is a goddess of Love, and how copper things are hers, and\nhow, as a result of this, she is a sort of goddess of technology as a\nsideline?  That is, she can appear on televisions, make them turn on, blow\nthem out, things like that.\n\nTHERE ARE DOORS was published in 1988.  IIRC, this was before the internet\nbecame such a public phenomenon, and unless I'm mistaken, this was long\nbefore it became clear that the primary use of the internet was and is . .\n. pornography.\n\nSo it seems like Wolfe made an accurate prediction, in a Wolfean way.\n\n=mantis="
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    },
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0303-3021@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Che Monro",
        "address": "flirt at technologist.com"
      },
      "date": "2003-03-07T03:53:30+00:00",
      "subject": "Re: (urth) DOORS: places and an accurate prediction?",
      "in_reply_to": "<urth-v0303-3020@digest.urth.net>",
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          "text": "At 03:09 PM 6/03/03 -0800, you wrote:\nIn THERE ARE DOORS there's that scene at the map store where Green is"
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          "text": "That is such a sweet, strange book, from the old hotel surrounded by snow \nwhich can't seem to make up it's mind whether it is open or closed for the \nwinter and which seems to be staffed entirely by spies and secret agents \n(at least that's my impression) to the mental home full of men who don't \nwant to have sex and the mystical chinese man who may be a god or a \nmystical messenger of some kind. It's so wolfean.\n\nDid anyone else notice it's similarity to Folesen? ;););)\n\nChe\n\nChé Franz Joseph Monro -- http://www.chemonro.com\nche at chemonro.com    --     flirt at technologist.com"
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