{ "export": { "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/3886", "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 3886, "subject": "Silk as Typhon", "messages": 5, "voices": 5, "first": "2003-03-08T18:27:41+00:00", "last": "2003-03-12T01:04:51+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Roy C. Lackey", "address": "rclackey at stic.net" }, "date": "2003-03-08T18:27:41+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Re: Silk as Typhon", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Don wrote:\nThis has occurred to me, and here is my solution. The Gods in\nmainframe are not actual visual representations of their scans but\narchetypal god figures, unless of course Typhon's wife has snakes for\nhair. The fact that Typhon had a hang-up about his appearance supports\nthis. He was eager to get rid of his second head. Why scan that into\nMainframe? It's a problem for consideration, but it's not fatal. The\nthematic signs IMO point to Silk being Typhon." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Then here is a somewhat more scientific objection. When Silk briefly \"died\"\nin that tunnel collapse, he was granted a 'vision' by the Outsider (and it\n_was_ the Outsider; Pas can't raise the dead) of his \"parents\". That\n'vision' is treated in the text as every bit as valid as Silk's\nenlightenment. In that vision he saw _four_ parents, not three. The four\nwere his \"mother\" (who gave birth to the embryo and raised him), his\nadoptive father (the old Calde Tussah), the \"tall\" \"blue-eyed\" man (who was\nhis \"biological\" father) and the undescribed woman (who was his \"biological\"\nmother) (LS3:9). If that woman contributed biological material to the embryo\nthat became Silk, then it is not possible for the embryo to have been a\nclone of Typhon, or of anyone else.\n\n-Roy" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Chris", "address": "rasputin_ at hotmail.com" }, "date": "2003-03-08T19:02:49+00:00", "subject": "Re: (urth) Re: Silk as Typhon", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Roy sensibly objected:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "mother) (LS3:9). If that woman contributed biological material to the \nembryo\nthat became Silk, then it is not possible for the embryo to have been a\nclone of Typhon, or of anyone else." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "This is a good point, and I think it points back to an older theory that \nSilk was an embryo that was intended to be a future body for Typhon/Pas \nafter the landing. We already know that Typhon is not fastidious about the \ngenetics of the body his mind inhabits - if anything he considers it an \naccoutrement or tool, and would want as \"souped up\" a version as he could \nget. Whether this was accomplished through eugenics, or some kind of genetic \nmanipulation of his biological parents is impossible to say.\n\nI believe, as well, that this is not an insoluble problem in the grand \nscheme of Don's thesis. Thematically, it amounts to the same thing- Silk was \nintended to be Typhon, in either case.\n\nOf course, there is always the possibility that the people Silk saw were \nactually *Typhon's* parents, but it seems highly unlikely that Typhon's \nparents would have been alive to be scanned into the mainframe; and if they \nhad, they would have had a place in Pas' pantheon.\n\nChris" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Lisa Schaffer-Doggett", "address": "harlekin at earthlink.net" }, "date": "2003-03-08T23:21:19+00:00", "subject": "Re: (urth) Re: Silk as Typhon", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Saturday, March 8, 2003, at 11:02 AM, Chris wrote:\n\nRoy sensibly objected:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "mother) (LS3:9). If that woman contributed biological material to the \nembryo\nthat became Silk, then it is not possible for the embryo to have been \na\nclone of Typhon, or of anyone else." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "This is a good point, and I think it points back to an older theory \nthat Silk was an embryo that was intended to be a future body for \nTyphon/Pas after the landing. We already know that Typhon is not \nfastidious about the genetics of the body his mind inhabits - if \nanything he considers it an accoutrement or tool, and would want as \n\"souped up\" a version as he could get. Whether this was accomplished \nthrough eugenics, or some kind of genetic manipulation of his \nbiological parents is impossible to say.\n\nI believe, as well, that this is not an insoluble problem in the grand \nscheme of Don's thesis. Thematically, it amounts to the same thing- \nSilk was intended to be Typhon, in either case.\n\nOf course, there is always the possibility that the people Silk saw \nwere actually *Typhon's* parents, but it seems highly unlikely that \nTyphon's parents would have been alive to be scanned into the \nmainframe; and if they had, they would have had a place in Pas' \npantheon.\n\nChris" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Don replies,\nThank you both for these important considerations. Without a second \nreading of the text, I don't have enough to work out my theory the way \nI would like to. Another possibility I have mulled over is that Silk \nis the son of Typhon instead. They are genetically related though, and \nI am 100% certain that Silk was meant to be the vessel for Pas. \nAnother thing regarding\ntheophanies. From what I recall they were never very common and the \nrecipients of them all seem to see different things and have a fairly \nhazy memory of what they saw. So it is highly possible that no one \nreally knows what Pas \"looks\" like. Personally, I think the 4 parents \nis a red herring like Dorcas and Ouen, but again I have to read the \nseries with an eye to puzzles before I can argue with any confidence. \nI just appreciate you taking me seriously enough to reply at all." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Andrew Bollen", "address": "abollen at internode.on.net" }, "date": "2003-03-11T12:36:06+00:00", "subject": "Re: (urth) Re: Silk as Typhon", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Roy, seraphic & IMO irrefutable, writes:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Then here is a somewhat more scientific objection. When Silk briefly\n\"died\"\nin that tunnel collapse, he was granted a 'vision' by the Outsider (and it\n_was_ the Outsider; Pas can't raise the dead) of his \"parents\". That\n'vision' is treated in the text as every bit as valid as Silk's\nenlightenment. In that vision he saw _four_ parents, not three. The four\nwere his \"mother\" (who gave birth to the embryo and raised him), his\nadoptive father (the old Calde Tussah), the \"tall\" \"blue-eyed\" man (who\nwas\nhis \"biological\" father) and the undescribed woman (who was his\n\"biological\"\nmother) (LS3:9). If that woman contributed biological material to the\nembryo\nthat became Silk, then it is not possible for the embryo to have been a\nclone of Typhon, or of anyone else." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "The only reason I have seen for thinking that Silk might be a clone is the\nvessel-of-Pas theory. But why should Pas want such a vessel? It is clear to\nme that the mainframe is the Olympus of these \"gods\". Like the Greek gods,\nthey may foray out in human or animal guise, but this is slumming (or\ndesperation). Who would willingly abandon Olympus forever?\n\nPas' reign on Blue is to be heralded by the construction of a new\nmainframe/Olympus, not by the appearance of a fleshified Passilk.\n\n(BTW - Passilk: homoousios or homoiousios?)" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Jeff Wilson", "address": "jwilson at io.com" }, "date": "2003-03-12T01:04:51+00:00", "subject": "Re: (urth) Re: Silk as Typhon", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "From:\n\"Roy C. Lackey\" \nThen here is a somewhat more scientific objection. When Silk briefly \"died\"\nin that tunnel collapse, he was granted a 'vision' by the Outsider (and it\n_was_ the Outsider; Pas can't raise the dead) of his \"parents\". That\n'vision' is treated in the text as every bit as valid as Silk's\nenlightenment. In that vision he saw _four_ parents, not three. The four\nwere his \"mother\" (who gave birth to the embryo and raised him), his\nadoptive father (the old Calde Tussah), the \"tall\" \"blue-eyed\" man (who was\nhis \"biological\" father) and the undescribed woman (who was his \"biological\"\nmother) (LS3:9). If that woman contributed biological material to the embryo\nthat became Silk, then it is not possible for the embryo to have been a\nclone of Typhon, or of anyone else." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "It =is= possible, if the biological parents are also =Typhon's= \nbiological parents. (Or whoever's.)" }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Jeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com\n< http://www.io.com/~jwilson/gurps/ >\n\n\n\n-- " } ] } ] }