# "Herod" etc. *The Urth list — 1 messages, 1 voices, 09 Apr 2003* > Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright > in each message remains with the person who wrote it. > Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original > archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than > retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact. --- ### James Jordan *09 Apr 2003, 20:18* Lots of theological discussion, and I was in Russia for a month and could not be involved! One thing briefly on the Satan-Herod business: There are four important Herods in the NT: Herod the Great, who tried to kill the baby Jesus. Herod who killed John the Forerunner (being tricked/seduced to it by his evil second wife -- a Wolfean touch!), and who mocked Jesus. The Herod who killed James the Apostle and imprisoned Peter, and who was killed by an angel (messenger) after posing as a god. (Acts 12 -- and this may be closest to the Severian material -- the murderous Typhon imprisoning Sev and then being slain by him). Herod Agrippa, who was "almost persuaded to become a Christian" by St. Paul. Since Wolfe's books are thematic and not strictly allegorical, any "Herodian" theme could easily see Herod as a stand-in or agent of Satan, in terms of Herods 1 & 3 above, and partly Herod 2 also. Typhon can be "like" Satan and "like" the Herods without being too closely identified with either, in some allegorical manner. FWIW, at this late date. Nutria ---