"Herod" etc. The Urth list — 1 messages, 1 voices, 09 Apr 2003 https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/3917 Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact. ============================================================================== James Jordan — 09 Apr 2003, 20:18 Lots of theological discussion, and I was in Russia for a month and could not be involved! One thing briefly on the Satan-Herod business: There are four important Herods in the NT: Herod the Great, who tried to kill the baby Jesus. Herod who killed John the Forerunner (being tricked/seduced to it by his evil second wife -- a Wolfean touch!), and who mocked Jesus. The Herod who killed James the Apostle and imprisoned Peter, and who was killed by an angel (messenger) after posing as a god. (Acts 12 -- and this may be closest to the Severian material -- the murderous Typhon imprisoning Sev and then being slain by him). Herod Agrippa, who was "almost persuaded to become a Christian" by St. Paul. Since Wolfe's books are thematic and not strictly allegorical, any "Herodian" theme could easily see Herod as a stand-in or agent of Satan, in terms of Herods 1 & 3 above, and partly Herod 2 also. Typhon can be "like" Satan and "like" the Herods without being too closely identified with either, in some allegorical manner. FWIW, at this late date. Nutria ------------------------------------------------------------------------------