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  "thread": {
    "id": 3926,
    "subject": "Return to Sado Island",
    "messages": 1,
    "voices": 1,
    "first": "2003-04-11T17:44:44+00:00",
    "last": "2003-04-11T17:44:44+00:00"
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      "message_id": "<urth-v0304-3153@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Nigel Price",
        "address": "nigel.aprice at virgin.net"
      },
      "date": "2003-04-11T17:44:44+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Return to Sado Island",
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          "text": "In response to my query about the haiku at the end of \"The Death of Dr.\nIsland\", Alga said:"
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          "text": "Six years--gosh, are we all six years\nolder? Surely not! Post the list, Nigel,\nfor the Web is six thousand times bigger\nthan it was six years ago and I will do\na search."
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          "text": "Okely-dokely!\n\nWay back in 1997, the thread lasted for about three messages (from alga, two\nfrom Ranjit), and went as follows...\n\n#1\tFrom: \"Alice Turner\" <al at interport.net>\n\tSubject: (urth) Dr. Island poetry\n\tDate: Sun, 3 Aug 1997 14:33:00\n\nHas anyone tracked down the poetry quoted in \"The Death of Dr. Island?\" The\nepigraph is from Hopkins and cited, but there are three fragments, uncited,\nquoted.\n\n\tAnd missing thee, I walk unseen\n\tOn the dry smooth-shaven green\n\tTo behold the wandering moon,\n\tRiding near her highest noon,\n\tLike one that has been led astray\n\tThrough the heaven's wide pathless way.\n\nI'm clueless, though it's got to be fairly modern despite the \"thee\"---maybe\nan antiquarian like de la Mare, though I'm not sure he's in public domain\nyet.\n\n\tThe mountain wooded to the peak, the lawns\n\tAnd winding glades high up like ways to Heaven,\n\tThe slender coco's drooping crown of plumes,\n\tThe lightening flash of insect and of bird,\n\tThe lustre of the long convolvuses\n\tThat coil'd around the stately stems, and ran\n\tEv'n to the limit of the land, the glows\n\tAnd glories of the broad belt of the world,\n\tAll these he saw.\n\nI was so certain that this was from Shelley's -Alastor- that I read it\n(Alastor) through twice, incredulous not to find it. Well, it's got to be\nRomantic, it's a narrative poem....\n\n\tSeas are cold tonight...\n\tStretching over Sado island\n\tSilent clouds of stars.\n\nThat's a haiku. Sado is a Japanese island.\n\nWell, they're all concerned with nature, the earth and the heavens. They\ncould all be Wolfe's own pastiches (the -Alastor- one is awesomely good, if\nso--I worship that \"convolvuses\"). But if they're not, I'm quite curious.\n\n-alga-\n\n\n#2\tFrom: Ranjit Bhatnagar <ranjit at moonmilk.com>"
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          "text": "\tSubject: (urth) Island Poetry\n\tDate: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 16:35:00\nAnd missing thee, I walk unseen"
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          "text": "Milton, Il Penseroso, which begins\n\n\tHence vain deluding joyes,\n        The brood of folly without father bred,\n\tHow little you bested,\n        Or fill the fixed mind with all your toyes;"
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          "text": "The mountain wooded to the peak, the lawns"
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          "text": "Enoch Arden?  \"a passage much quoted already and which will be no doubt\noften quoted, the description of Enoch's tropical island.\" -- Gerard Manley\nHopkins writing to A. W. M. Baillie.\n\nI'm no scholar; I just plugged 'em into AltaVista and HotBot. No luck\ndigging up the haiku.  (www.altavista.digital.com; www.hotbot.com)\n\nMilton poem:\n\thttp://www.lexmark.com/data/poem/milton02.html\nHopkins' letter mentioning Arden:\n\thttp://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/~www_se/Hopkins.html\n\n\n#3\tFrom: Ranjit Bhatnagar <ranjit at moonmilk.com>\n\tSubject: (urth) Poetry again\n\tDate: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 22:34:27\n\n\nBecause I can't find my copy of Dr Island, I can pass my time with this\ninstead.\n\nFor what it's worth, the quoted poem appears to be \"Enoch Arden\", by Al\nTennyson.\n\nThere was a silent movie made of the story in 1915 starring Alfred Paget as\nEnoch Arden.  \"Seaman Enoch Arden returns home after a long absence marooned\non a desert island. At home he finds his wife married to another, and though\nhe loves her, he cannot bear to disrupt her current happiness.\"\n\nThat would be the island that Hopkins mentioned in the letter.  Hmm,\n*island*.\n\nTennyson published \"Enoch Arden\" in 1864.\n\nRichard Strauss based a melodrama on this poem, and Glenn Gould once\nperformed Strauss's work on the radio.\n\nI will refrain from quoting a (barely) naughty limerick on the subject, but\nyou can find it here:\nhttp://www.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~ad/LimericksDir/P.html\n\nWhat a font of trivia is the web!\n\n\tr.\n\n----------------------------------\n\nThat's as far as it went. I've searched for the haiku with Google, but got\nnowhere, though I did laught at Ranjit's naughty limerick...\n\nNigel"
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