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  "thread": {
    "id": 395,
    "subject": "Detective of Dreams",
    "messages": 3,
    "voices": 2,
    "first": "1998-03-03T09:00:02+00:00",
    "last": "1998-03-05T12:07:49+00:00"
  },
  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0007-0585@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Michael Straight",
        "address": "straight at email.unc.edu"
      },
      "date": "1998-03-03T09:00:02+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Detective of Dreams",
      "in_reply_to": null,
      "reply_link": null,
      "blocks": [
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "On 3 Mar 1998, Tony Ellis wrote:\n\"MBS\" wrote\n2)  In a similar vein, I just finished reading \"Detective of Dreams\" "
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 2,
          "text": "and was wondering if I \"got\" this one...  Something about a church \nand Jesus... right?"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "The dreams are all Christ's parables, re-told."
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "Which parable is the last dream (the one where the woman watches her\nhusband fly to pieces when he orders the Stranger shot)?\n\n-Rostrum"
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0007-0590@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Tony Ellis",
        "address": "tony.ellis at futurenet.co.uk"
      },
      "date": "1998-03-04T13:28:33+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Re: Detective of Dreams",
      "in_reply_to": "<urth-v0007-0585@digest.urth.net>",
      "reply_link": "subject",
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          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "                                                                      \n04/03/98\n                                                                      14:19\n RE>Detective of Dreams"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "Rostrum wrote:\nWhich parable is the last dream (the one where the woman watches her\nhusband fly to pieces when he orders the Stranger shot)?"
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "Sorry, it's been too long since I read this story to remember the \nparticulars, but I'm sure somebody else on this list must know.\n\nIt may be a reference to \"Judge not, lest ye be judged\" or something\nsimilar, in which case it would have been more acccurate of me to\nsay \"teaching\" rather than \"parable\"."
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0007-0596@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Michael Straight",
        "address": "straight at email.unc.edu"
      },
      "date": "1998-03-05T12:07:49+00:00",
      "subject": "Re: (urth) Re: Detective of Dreams",
      "in_reply_to": "<urth-v0007-0590@digest.urth.net>",
      "reply_link": "subject",
      "blocks": [
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "On 4 Mar 1998, Tony Ellis wrote:\nRostrum wrote:"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 2,
          "text": "Which parable is the last dream (the one where the woman watches her\nhusband fly to pieces when he orders the Stranger shot)?"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "Sorry, it's been too long since I read this story to remember the \nparticulars, but I'm sure somebody else on this list must know.\n\nIt may be a reference to \"Judge not, lest ye be judged\" or something\nsimilar, in which case it would have been more acccurate of me to\nsay \"teaching\" rather than \"parable\"."
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
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          "text": "That seems kind of a stretch to me.  This story has always been\nunsatisfying to me because I can't find a good fit for the third dream.\nThe other two dreams are straight re-tellings of two of Jesus's parables.\n\nThis third one has echoes of Pilate's wife being warned in a dream to tell\nPilate to \"have nothing to do with this man.\" And, as you say, some of\nJesus's sayings have a slight similarity (woe to those who are happy and\noppress others, for they will weep and mourn, or maybe those who live by\nthe sword will die by the sword).  Maybe the parable of the vinyard where\nthe tennants who kill the son will be put to death by the owner, but even\nthere, the emphasis of the parable has more to do with Jewish failure to\nrecognize God's messengers than a tit-for-tat, if you kill you will die\nviolently.  None of these options are so close that I can see the\nDetective saying, \"Aha! That dream is actually about Jesus!\" \n\nIn fact the dream almost seems a reversal of the Gospel message.  Instead\nof Jesus dying so that the guilty might live, in the dream, he who tries\nto kill \"Jesus\" is instead himself killed.  Pilate isn't zapped by God in\nthe Gospels for killing Jesus; for all we know, he might even have\nrepented and been forgiven.\n\nAnyone else have thoughts on making the last dream fit?\n\n-Rostrum"
        }
      ]
    }
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