{ "export": { "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/3971", "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 3971, "subject": "The Mine in Saltus", "messages": 5, "voices": 4, "first": "2003-04-26T07:19:24+00:00", "last": "2003-05-07T11:25:18+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Nicholas Gevers", "address": "vermoulian at yahoo.com" }, "date": "2003-04-26T07:19:24+00:00", "subject": "(urth) The Mine in Saltus", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "The matter of the entity in the mine in Saltus: I\nthink all the speculation has ignored the obvious. The\nentity is Urth herself. When Severian brings the Claw\nwith him below ground, it shines what is, by proxy,\nthe light of the New Sun. The bowels of Urth react as\nthey will when the New Sun comes: with seismic\nrumblings, premonitions of earthquake. The whole\nepisode is an omen of the foundering of continents\nprophesied in Dr. Talos's Play and described in THE\nURTH OF THE NEW SUN...\n\n--Nick Gevers." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Che Monro", "address": "flirt at technologist.com" }, "date": "2003-04-27T07:01:02+00:00", "subject": "Re: (urth) The Mine in Saltus", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "At 08:19 AM 26/04/03 +0100, you wrote:\nThe matter of the entity in the mine in Saltus: I\nthink all the speculation has ignored the obvious. The\nentity is Urth herself. When Severian brings the Claw\nwith him below ground, it shines what is, by proxy,\nthe light of the New Sun. The bowels of Urth react as\nthey will when the New Sun comes: with seismic\nrumblings, premonitions of earthquake. The whole\nepisode is an omen of the foundering of continents\nprophesied in Dr. Talos's Play and described in THE\nURTH OF THE NEW SUN..." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Hummm... Which would explain why so much of a fuss is made in the text \nabout whether the power resides in the Claw or in Severian himself. Getting \nat the Truth via misdirection. But then, um, all the Urth is hallowed \nground, right?\n\nChe\n\nChé Franz Joseph Monro -- http://www.chemonro.com\nche at chemonro.com -- flirt at technologist.com" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "matthew.malthouse", "address": "matthew.malthouse at guardian.co.uk" }, "date": "2003-05-06T09:02:02+00:00", "subject": "Re: (urth) The Mine in Saltus", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 26/04/2003 08:19:24 ?iso-8859-1?q?Nicholas=20Gevers?= wrote:\nThe matter of the entity in the mine in Saltus: I" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I like entity much beter than inteligence." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "think all the speculation has ignored the obvious. The\nentity is Urth herself. When Severian brings the Claw\nwith him below ground, it shines what is, by proxy,\nthe light of the New Sun. The bowels of Urth react as\nthey will when the New Sun comes: with seismic\nrumblings, premonitions of earthquake. The whole\nepisode is an omen of the foundering of continents\nprophesied in Dr. Talos's Play and described in THE\nURTH OF THE NEW SUN..." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Oh but a small point: the mine's guardians react in a manner to suggest\nfear based on prior experience; they have some concept of what is coming\nso they must have seen it before, sans claw, sans Severian.\n\nThat bit always reminds me of the drums pre-figuring the balrog in the\nmines of Moria.\n\n\nMatthew" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Hubert Rogers", "address": "hubert at ntlworld.com" }, "date": "2003-05-06T20:41:55+00:00", "subject": "Re: (urth) The Mine in Saltus", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Cyriaca's story in Sword of the Lictor and Severian's statement that he\nthinks he knows something of those machines, seem to suggest that there was\nindeed an entity in the mine at Saltus. What else could Severian be\nreferring to when he said that?" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "That bit always reminds me of the drums pre-figuring the balrog in the\nmines of Moria.\n\n\nMatthew" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I agree this 'scene' does seem to be heavily Tolkien influenced.\n\nHubert" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "matthew.malthouse", "address": "matthew.malthouse at guardian.co.uk" }, "date": "2003-05-07T11:25:18+00:00", "subject": "Re: (urth) The Mine in Saltus", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 06/05/2003 21:41:55 Hubert Rogers wrote:\nCyriaca's story in Sword of the Lictor and Severian's statement that he\nthinks he knows something of those machines, seem to suggest that there\nwas\nindeed an entity in the mine at Saltus." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I was happy with \"entity\". I'd have quibled with the ealier used\n\"inteligence\"." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "What else could Severian be\nreferring to when he said that?" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I can't look right now (me, office: books, home) but I have a feeling that\nI thought the inhabitants of the Wall of Nessus.\n\nCurious though, at the time of the incident with Cyriaca Severian had some\nsuperficial knowledge of the Citadel, had fled whatever approached in the\nMines of Saltus and had gained barely more than a tourist's view of the\nHouse Absolute.\n\nWhat knowledge could Severian the lictor of Thrax have of such? I'd have\nthought very little. So is Severian, Autarch and Author interpolating\nknowledge that he possesses into the conversations of his earlier, more\nignorant self?\n\nMatthew" } ] } ] }