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  "thread": {
    "id": 3986,
    "subject": "sphinx etc.",
    "messages": 2,
    "voices": 2,
    "first": "2003-05-09T15:22:35+00:00",
    "last": "2003-05-09T15:45:00+00:00"
  },
  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0305-3388@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "maa32",
        "address": "maa32 at dana.ucc.nau.edu"
      },
      "date": "2003-05-09T15:22:35+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) sphinx etc.",
      "in_reply_to": null,
      "reply_link": null,
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          "text": "Thanks for the input, Nutria.  Seven Lions is an interesting character, and if \nanyone has a divine archetype it might be him.\n\nOn another tack, had to go look up the parentage of the Sphinx.  Perhaps I was \nmistaken, too many versions of the story to keep straight.  In some myths, she \nis the daughter of Echidna and Typhon (or Orthrus or laius or Ucalegon).  \nHowever, she was definitely sent by Hera to Thebes to punish Laius.  I knew \nHera was somehow reponsible for her ... there are too many versions of Greek \nmyths, and this is why I find the Soldier books somewhat frustrating.  Even a \nname like Pandora is fraught with too many diverse interpretations.  Sorry for \nthe mistake - but still, what does \"I am your mother, and your mother's \nmother\" mean?!\n\nVery good point about Latro's journey echoing Hercules - he meets the Lernean \nHydra by the rock with a hole in it, and it does seem as though these \ncreatures are the daughters of Enodia or Echidna.  However, he doesn't meet \nAnteus - when Hercules gives him advice on how to defeat Basias, he gives him \nthe advice he used to defeat that earth bound creature.\n\nHey, there are only a few imbedded stories in the soldier series.  One deals \nwith the wrath of Achilles on the last daughter of Priam, and the other deals \nwith a pregnant clump of earth (since a wife doesn't fire the earth she uses \nto dupe her husband, it gets pregnant and the sons soul infests an apple tree, \nwhose branch the husband uses to dupe his stepmother, and said branch kills \nboth husband and wife).  I am interested in the theme of the wrath of Achilles \nin the Soldier books, since when Odysseus rips out that one guys throat for \nLatro in a fight he starts spouting about 'more blood for the wrath of \nAchilles'.  Any other evidence that Achilles is acting throughout the text?\n\nProbably enough for now ...\nSorry again about the Sphinx, I'm confused, too.\n\nMarc Aramini"
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    },
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0305-3390@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes",
        "address": "katbarx at hotmail.com"
      },
      "date": "2003-05-09T15:45:00+00:00",
      "subject": "Re: (urth) sphinx etc.",
      "in_reply_to": "<urth-v0305-3388@digest.urth.net>",
      "reply_link": "subject",
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          "text": "Snipping one line out of a fascinating set of notes,"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "but still, what does \"I am your mother, and your mother's mother\" mean?!"
        },
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          "text": "It seems to me that if Wolfe is going to play around with Graves's concepts\nand imagery _anywhere_ it would be in a story about ancient Greece, neh?\n... perhaps this is an invocation/citation/statement of the all-female, the \none-\nthree Goddess ... in which case the Sphinx being Echidna's daughter doesn't\nprevent her from being Hera's, since both Hera and Echidna are the Mother\n... I think it's time for me to reread these; it's going to be a bit of a \nwait for\nWizard-Knight anyway."
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