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  "thread": {
    "id": 3988,
    "subject": "sphinx as hera, aglaus as satyr, achilles",
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    "first": "2003-05-10T02:51:50+00:00",
    "last": "2003-05-10T02:51:50+00:00"
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      "message_id": "<urth-v0305-3393@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "maa32",
        "address": "maa32 at dana.ucc.nau.edu"
      },
      "date": "2003-05-10T02:51:50+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) sphinx as hera, aglaus as satyr, achilles",
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          "text": "OK, Latro offends Hera or Gaea by fighting in her temple (in the books, Gaea \nand Hera are blended together and oppose the triple goddess, who is \nEchidna(enodia)+Moon (Selene) + Huntress) The sphinx is identified by Latro as \nGaea (!) in chapter 29 of Soldier of Arete.  this would make her Hera, who \nwould be Ares mother (I am your mother, and your mother's mother).\n\nHowever, I believe that there is an undercurrent here in the soldier series: \nthe Achaens have been replaced by the Dorians (Spartans), who have taken over \nthe old ways.  If I'm not mistaken, this would make the ghost of Achilles mad, \nand he wants the Spartans to be vanquished.  The remains of the achaens are \nsymbolically put to rest with Lykaon in the boar hunting segment late in \nSoldier of Arete, where Latro picks up the shepherd Aglaus, who he then takes \ninto Sparta with him.  He keeps Aglaus around because Aglaus reminds him of \nthings, and helps him remember.  I don't know if anyone else has said \nanything, but Aglaus is the goat man who identifies Polos as a centaur (or \nbull-killer) in chapter 33.  He later makes a pipe for io and begins dancing, \nwhere Latro says that he is reminded of Elata by Aglaus.  Aglaus is a satyr, \nwho chases nymphs, and the same carnal force flows through him.  So, Latro is \nsurrounded by a nymph, a satyr, a centaur, and a man named Seven Lions, and he \nis probably chasing the shape shifting Zalmoxis as well.\n\nWhy would a satyr, or a being who resembles Pan, remind Latro so strongly of \nhis past?  Notice that after Aglaus shows up, Latro starts to remember.  The \nmemory house of Simonides helps, but Latro claims that he bought Aglaus' \nservices after Themistocles no longer required a guide to Sparta because of \nAglaus' effect on his memory.\n\nIn the boar hunting scene at the middle of part three of Soldier of Arete, we \nsee several things: the Achaens are old and wiped out, replaced by the \nSpartans, and dying out obscurely in the mountains.  Aglaus and Lykaon seems \nto represent the older forces, while Latro represents the burgeoning triumph \nof Rome that looms over all Greece (he is the seed of Rome, as has been said).\n I need to look up which side was the Achaen side, but I'm pretty sure that \nAchilles is mad at the Spartans and is working from beyond the grave to insure \nthat they are going to have some big problems in the near future, and that \nLatro is somehow involved in that effort to thwart them.\n\nThen again, maybe I have it backwards.  Aeneas is the survivor of Troy, whose \nseed goes on to found Rome.  Perhaps Achilles wouldn't want that force to rise \nagain, since he vanquished Hector and fought for it.  What do you think?  \nWhich side would the shade of Achilles take? The Great King of the Medes or \nthe Twin Kings of Sparta?  Or would he want both to fail so that Rome could \neventually come and take over everything?\n\nMarc Aramini"
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