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  "thread": {
    "id": 3995,
    "subject": "Heracles and Sisyphus",
    "messages": 1,
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    "first": "2003-05-11T00:36:21+00:00",
    "last": "2003-05-11T00:36:21+00:00"
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      "message_id": "<urth-v0305-3402@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "maa32",
        "address": "maa32 at dana.ucc.nau.edu"
      },
      "date": "2003-05-11T00:36:21+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Heracles and Sisyphus",
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          "text": "Crush,\nexcellent points about Latro's contiguity with Heracles, especially since \nPindaros calls him Heracles in his little prose ending to Soldier of Arete.\nThere is something to note: Latro easily finishes Sisyphus' task for him - and \nSisyphus was like a 3/4 god.  There is some indication that Sisyphus feels \nlike an old relative of Latro - is freeing Sisyphus the only reason Asopus \ngave Falcata special powers way back at the opening?!\n\nThe wolves seem to be both a homage to Gene Wolfe's name and an easy tool for \nprophecy: when the wolf's young and the wolf's tooth, etc.; when wolf, faun, \nand nymph gather round, etc etc. (Hey, the nymph is Elata and the faun is \nAglaus, I'm 100% positive he's one of those crazy goatmen.)\n\nThere IS a reason to link Ares with Zoroastrianism: the people of thrace say \nthat Pleistorus IS a form Ahura Mazda.  This is strictly in Wolfe's book, not \nin any other way.  I can't imagine why he would do this without us wanting to \nassociate ares with the all good God.\n\nI think that the Lernean Hydra (or the Lamia, or whatever Drakaina is) \ncertainly makes a good case for Latro being more like Hercules, but I think \nAres did make both sides mad, and was forced to walk the world as a mortal \nbecause everybody hates him (yet now they kind of feel bad, especially about \nthat whole memory thing, so they treat him a lot more nicely since he's \nlearned his lesson).\n\nWe've directly seen Heracles talk to Latro in his match with Basias, so we \nknow he can't BE Heracles.  But he might be reliving that epic heroes tasks, \njust because.  Interestingly enough, that would make Ares his archenemy, \nright?!  Weird.\n\nMarc Aramini"
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