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I like six of the stories (the Wolfe and John\nCrowley stories included), which is one third of the total: a very high\npercentage of personal likes for an anthology for me. I'm mainly curious\nto talk about \"New Wave Fabulism\" that the magazine showcases: is it\n\"real\"? If so, what are the parameters?\n\nClute provides one of two essays in the book, and as Nick reported, he\nmakes a possible link between the nine worlds in KNIGHT and the sefiroth of\nKabbalah. To me the much more immediate association is with the various\nworlds listed in Norse mythology -- that is, the story is a straight riff\non the Norse cosmos, where elves have their own world, giants have their\nworld, etc. It is true that there might be echoes between the tree\nYggdrasil (with worlds at roots, middle trunk, and upper branches) and the\n\"tree\" of Kabbalah, but that is its own weird mystical musing in itself.\n\n=mantis=" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Anthony Ferrara", "address": "ajferrara72 at yahoo.com" }, "date": "2003-06-25T16:54:11+00:00", "subject": "Re: (urth) Conjunctions 39", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Is there a new Wolfe short story in addition to the excerpt from Knight, or are your referring to the excerpt itself? Thank you\n \nAnthony \n \nHas anybody else seen it? I like six of the stories (the Wolfe and \nJohn\nCrowley stories included), which is one third of the total: " } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Michael Andre-Driussi", "address": "mantis at siriusfiction.com" }, "date": "2003-06-25T18:08:18+00:00", "subject": "Re: (urth) Conjunctions 39", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Anthony wrote:\nIs there a new Wolfe short story in addition to the excerpt from Knight,\nor are your referring to the excerpt itself?" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "No, there is only the one piece from Wolfe, an excerpt from KNIGHT.\n\n=mantis=" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Josh Geller", "address": "brunians at brunians.org" }, "date": "2003-06-25T23:10:06+00:00", "subject": "Re: (urth) Conjunctions 39", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Wed, 2003-06-25 at 07:19, Michael Andre-Driussi wrote:\nClute provides one of two essays in the book, and as Nick reported, he\nmakes a possible link between the nine worlds in KNIGHT and the sefiroth of\nKabbalah. To me the much more immediate association is with the various\nworlds listed in Norse mythology -- that is, the story is a straight riff\non the Norse cosmos, where elves have their own world, giants have their\nworld, etc. It is true that there might be echoes between the tree\nYggdrasil (with worlds at roots, middle trunk, and upper branches) and the\n\"tree\" of Kabbalah, but that is its own weird mystical musing in itself." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Both trees are based on the observed structure of the Sky.\n\nThe rabbis tried to generalize the QBLH and associate it more directly\nwith number than with the physical Sky and its inhabitants, the worship\nof which (as good monotheists) they were trying to discourage.\n\nThe Norse system is nuch more directly and explicitly astronomical:\nAsgard is the Arctic sky, Midgard the band of the Zodiac, Hel's kingdom\nthe hidden (from the North) Antarctic sky. Various other heims and gards\nare other specific celestial topoi. And of course, Odin, Thor, Tir etc \nare explicitly Mercury, Jupiter, Mars rather than the dodge the \nqabalists use of having a Sephira associated with a planet among its\nmany other associations.\n\nI know Wolfe is aware of a great deal of this stuff, how much he chose\nto incorporate in WIZARD/KNIGHT I don't know.\n\n\nJ." } ] } ] }