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    "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/4077",
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  "archive": "urth",
  "thread": {
    "id": 4077,
    "subject": "time looping",
    "messages": 2,
    "voices": 2,
    "first": "2003-07-10T00:54:02+00:00",
    "last": "2003-07-10T14:40:08+00:00"
  },
  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0307-3617@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "jonathan mann",
        "address": "jemann at maxamine.com.au"
      },
      "date": "2003-07-10T00:54:02+00:00",
      "subject": "Re: (urth) time looping",
      "in_reply_to": null,
      "reply_link": null,
      "blocks": [
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "mantis wrote"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "Time travel \"message to self\" loop thingie.  In Heinlein you have DOOR INTO\nSUMMER.  In movies you have either \"Groundhog Day,\" where the narrative\nhero is going through every loop from beginning to optimized end; or\nsomething like \"Donny Darko,\" where it is the final loop only and thus more\nlike DOOR INTO SUMMER (and Severian's Narrative)."
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "There's also FREE LIVE FREE, in which the loops 'optimize' \nthe person being looped.  Never let it be said that Wolfe \nunderexplores a theme.  Maybe there's more than one Wolfe, \nand different books with similar themes are by different \nversions.\n\nActually, I just came up with a more serious idea: couldn't \nthe looping be analogous to the auctorial drafting process? \n  We already know that Wolfe goes through a lot of drafts, \neach of which 'optimizes' and ties the books more closely \ntogether.  What if each iteration of this added another \niteration to Severian?\n\n[Delurking now.  Animal or animal products, right?]"
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0307-3632@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "James Jordan",
        "address": "jbjordan4 at cox.net"
      },
      "date": "2003-07-10T14:40:08+00:00",
      "subject": "Re: (urth) time looping",
      "in_reply_to": "<urth-v0307-3617@digest.urth.net>",
      "reply_link": "subject",
      "blocks": [
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "Actually, I just came up with a more serious idea: couldn't the looping be \nanalogous to the auctorial drafting process?  We already know that Wolfe \ngoes through a lot of drafts, each of which 'optimizes' and ties the books \nmore closely together.  What if each iteration of this added another \niteration to Severian?\n\n--jabiru"
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "COOL! Just like something Umberto Eco would do. I don't know about adding \nanother Sev, but the rest is a neat thought.\n\nNutria"
        }
      ]
    }
  ]
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