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  "thread": {
    "id": 4083,
    "subject": "Sev and Silkhorn",
    "messages": 1,
    "voices": 1,
    "first": "2003-07-10T15:08:59+00:00",
    "last": "2003-07-10T15:08:59+00:00"
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  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0307-3634@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "James Jordan",
        "address": "jbjordan4 at cox.net"
      },
      "date": "2003-07-10T15:08:59+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Sev and Silkhorn",
      "in_reply_to": null,
      "reply_link": null,
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          "text": "At 09:24 PM 7/9/2003, you wrote:\nI want to find something similar in young-Sev/Silkhorn. It may be that a\ncrucial difference between \"Sev the Cruel\" and \"our Sev\" is embodied in and\ncaused by his compassionate destruction of Thecla. This prefigures his\ncompassionate destruction of Urth as the New Sun, and it is an act of Love\nwhich maybe \"Sev the Cruel\" was incapable of, and thus incapable of bringing\nthe New Sun.\n\nPerhaps it's not too much opf a stretch to see SilkHorn's influence as the\ncause of this difference. Part of Silk's charisma is to bring out the best\nin everybody he meets, where any good exists at all: he is pretty much an\navatar of the proposition that the only divinity is Love.\n\nSo that's one parallel I am comfortable with. But more broadly, I would like\nto see Silkhorn as the self-caused \"completion\" of Sev in the same way that\nSev is the completion of Ymar."
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          "text": "         I think your first parallel is right on. Silk plants seeds in \nyoung Sev. I notice that he meets Pastor Silk right after his baptismal \nresurrection. In Sev's own books, it is that baptism that sets him on his \nroad as a true seeker of truth and penitence, not as a mere torturer with \nthat title over him (though it's a long road and he fails more often than \nnot). Wolfe has added in the influence of Silk: Sacrament and then Word, so \nto speak.\n         \"Self-caused\" strikes me as out of accord with the themes of the \nbooks. In both cases, the completions are God-caused, in Sev's case through \nHis agents, in Silk's with His own direct intervention.\n         IMO, this tendency to multiply Sevs and to try and see every main \ncharacter as a version of Sev is a red herring. We want to be careful not \nto see more Sevs than there really are!\n         If I were going to try and schematize the relationships -- and I'm \nnot sure of this at all -- I'd link Silk as a new and good Typhon. Both men \nare \"over\" Sev, as teacher/example or ruler. Silk has the \"higher\" \nposition, being directly engaged with the Increate, while Sev has the lower \none, interacting with the Increate's agents. Don't know if this really \nworks thematically, but it seems to me that Silk and Sev should be seen as \ndifferent persons.\n         FWIW.\n\nNutria"
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