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    "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/411",
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  "thread": {
    "id": 411,
    "subject": "Religion in the BotNS",
    "messages": 2,
    "voices": 2,
    "first": "1998-03-12T03:16:31+00:00",
    "last": "1998-03-12T09:08:52+00:00"
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  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0008-0610@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "C R Culver",
        "address": "crculver at aol.com"
      },
      "date": "1998-03-12T03:16:31+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Religion in the BotNS",
      "in_reply_to": null,
      "reply_link": null,
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          "text": "Said Peter S:"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "The part where he goes through Thrax holding the Claw aloft recalls `I am the\nlight of the world'<"
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "This section is hard for me to interpret religiously, because Severian does\nrelease the floodgates, killing the prisoners in the jacal. That is, IMHO, not\nin any way Christlike.\n\nContinues Peter:"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "I'm sure there must be other such.  I hope someone can wax lyrical on the\nrelationship of the Pancreator, Increate<"
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "I notice 'Pancreator' is used historically, in God's role as Creator, and\nIncreate is used in the present, explaining a God who watches, remotely,\nthough.\n\nOne interesting thing I did notice is Severian's reviving of Miles. The word\nMiles is Latin for soldier (actually, it is nominative or accusative plural),\nbut it also can mean \"thousand.\" How many people are in a Roman legion? A\nthousand, or some variation of it? Thus, Severian was able to revive Jonas,\nbut casting out his demons (that is, his personal demons, or his pain over not\nhaving Jolenta), just as Christ, in Luke, drove the demons out of the man who\nidentified himself as Legion. I'm pretty much thinking out loud right now, so\ndon't take this too seriously.\n\nChristopher R. Culver <crculver at aol.com>\nhttp://members.aol.com/crculver/index.html\n------------------------------------------------\n\"Ignorance, that light of fools steers a wayward path\"\n-Brendan Perry"
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0008-0614@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Peter Stephenson",
        "address": "pws at ifh.de"
      },
      "date": "1998-03-12T09:08:52+00:00",
      "subject": "Re: (urth) Religion in the BotNS",
      "in_reply_to": "<urth-v0008-0610@digest.urth.net>",
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          "depth": 1,
          "text": "C R Culver wrote:\nSaid Peter S:"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 2,
          "text": "The part where he goes through Thrax holding the Claw aloft recalls\n`I am the light of the world'<"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "This section is hard for me to interpret religiously, because Severian does\nrelease the floodgates, killing the prisoners in the jacal. That is,\nIMHO, not in any way Christlike."
        },
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          "text": "Even if this isn't what happens in this particular episode, it's\ncertainly striking how quickly Severian `falls off' in any episode\nwhere he is somehow fleetingly put up against Christ...  In the first\nexample I hazarded, which looked a bit like Christ before Pilate, the\nchapter ends with Severian demonstrating his torturing skills on one\nof the soldiers (at the lochage's suggestion, it should be said).  In\nthe last, he ends up by killing Typhon/Piaton (though if he's somehow\nthe Devil in this episode then my weak theology has run out of\nexegetic steam).  These sort of references seem like little pieces in\na mosaic, which is a suitably Byzantine image.\n\n(Which reminds me I've been meaning to ask about some possible\nrelationships between Wolfe and Yeats...)\n\nPeter"
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