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    "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/414",
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  "thread": {
    "id": 414,
    "subject": "Digest urth.v008.n005",
    "messages": 2,
    "voices": 2,
    "first": "1998-03-12T06:28:14+00:00",
    "last": "1998-03-12T08:49:15+00:00"
  },
  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0008-0616@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Alice Turner",
        "address": "al at interport.net"
      },
      "date": "1998-03-12T06:28:14+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Re: Digest urth.v008.n005",
      "in_reply_to": null,
      "reply_link": null,
      "blocks": [
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          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "Peter,"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "As a fan of both Wolfe and W.B. Yeats, I've been struck by some\nparallels.  I could easily be convinced that they are simply\nparallels, and not direct influences, but they seem to be close enough\nto be interesting."
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "Don't forget the rose imagery. Yeats is chock-full of it, Wolfe only\nsomewhat less so.\n\n-alga-"
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0008-0617@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Paul C Duggan",
        "address": "pduggan at world.std.com"
      },
      "date": "1998-03-12T08:49:15+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Re: Digest urth.v008.n005",
      "in_reply_to": "<urth-v0008-0616@digest.urth.net>",
      "reply_link": "subject",
      "blocks": [
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          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "On Thu, 12 Mar 1998 urth-errors at lists.best.com wrote:\nEven if this isn't what happens in this particular episode, it's\ncertainly striking how quickly Severian `falls off' in any episode\nwhere he is somehow fleetingly put up against Christ...  In the first\nexample I hazarded, which looked a bit like Christ before Pilate, the\nchapter ends with Severian demonstrating his torturing skills on one\nof the soldiers (at the lochage's suggestion, it should be said).  In\nthe last, he ends up by killing Typhon/Piaton (though if he's somehow\nthe Devil in this episode then my weak theology has run out of\nexegetic steam).  These sort of references seem like little pieces in\na mosaic, which is a suitably Byzantine image."
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "While your first example of Severians failures rings ture, I'm not so sure\nabotu the second. It seemed analogous to what happens in C.S. Lewis's\n_Perelandra_, where the devil is defeated by\n\n\n\nSPOILERS\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nphysical force, after Ransom realizes that the argumentation phase was at\na close.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nEND SPOILERS\n\nusually, people either love Lewis' solution at that point, or hate it. I'm\none of the ones who likes it a great deal.\n\n\"I am an impure thinker. I am hurt, swayed, shaken, |  paul           + | +\nelated, disillusioned, shocked, comforted, and I    |                 --|--\nhave to transmit my mental experiences lest I die.\" |                 + | +\n                     --  Eugen Rosenstock-Huessy    |  pduggan at world.std.com"
        }
      ]
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