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  "thread": {
    "id": 4174,
    "subject": "for Benjamin  - sev as conciliator",
    "messages": 2,
    "voices": 2,
    "first": "2003-08-19T06:25:27+00:00",
    "last": "2003-08-19T14:59:07+00:00"
  },
  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0308-3943@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "maa32",
        "address": "maa32 at dana.ucc.nau.edu"
      },
      "date": "2003-08-19T06:25:27+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) for Benjamin  - sev as conciliator",
      "in_reply_to": null,
      "reply_link": null,
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          "text": "Hi Benjamin.\nOf course there are plenty of indications that Severian is the conciliator all \nover the place in BOTNS.  First off, there is mention of him as the Dark Sun \n(sev's fuliginous cloak).  Agia emphasizes that he is the master of time as \nthey approach the botanic gardens, that he could be \"right around the bend of \nthe street\", or something similar.  Of course he is - he's right there talking \nto her, and it's situational irony, as well as foreshadowing the power of the \nclaw to reverse the passage of time and Severian's own travels.  There's a ton \nmore - at the party in Sword of the Lictor where Severian is supposed to throw \nthe woman off the cliff, he talks about how the Conciliator could be masked at \nthe party and not even know it, clearly talking about himself.  Wolfe uses a \nlot of that situational irony, which I believe can be attributed to a very \nknowing Severian trying to hint that he is indeed the conciliator, long before \nwe ever get Urth of the New Sun.  The New Sun is the Conciliator, and Severian \ncompares himself obsesses about light over and over again.  Whatever one \nbelieves, Severian, and therefore Wolfe, certainly insinuates that he is the \nconciliator well before the sequel was written - but most of it relies on a \nkind of ironic spin.\nMarc Aramini"
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0308-3950@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Josh Geller",
        "address": "brunians at brunians.org"
      },
      "date": "2003-08-19T14:59:07+00:00",
      "subject": "Re: (urth) for Benjamin  - sev as conciliator",
      "in_reply_to": "<urth-v0308-3943@digest.urth.net>",
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          "text": "On Mon, 2003-08-18 at 23:25, maa32 wrote:\nHi Benjamin.\nOf course there are plenty of indications that Severian is the conciliator all \nover the place in BOTNS.  First off, there is mention of him as the Dark Sun \n(sev's fuliginous cloak).  Agia emphasizes that he is the master of time as \nthey approach the botanic gardens, that he could be \"right around the bend of \nthe street\", or something similar.  Of course he is - he's right there talking \nto her, and it's situational irony, as well as foreshadowing the power of the \nclaw to reverse the passage of time and Severian's own travels.  There's a ton \nmore - at the party in Sword of the Lictor where Severian is supposed to throw \nthe woman off the cliff, he talks about how the Conciliator could be masked at \nthe party and not even know it, clearly talking about himself.  Wolfe uses a \nlot of that situational irony, which I believe can be attributed to a very \nknowing Severian trying to hint that he is indeed the conciliator, long before \nwe ever get Urth of the New Sun.  "
        },
        {
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          "text": "The avatar normally doesn't talk about being an avatar. It's, like, a\nrule or a law or whatever you want to call it.'Once privately, once\nformally, once publicly' is how it goes.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n."
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