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  "thread": {
    "id": 4200,
    "subject": "latro: mother's mother and misc (Swanwick, etc).",
    "messages": 1,
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    "first": "2003-09-05T05:40:32+00:00",
    "last": "2003-09-05T05:40:32+00:00"
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    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0309-4025@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "maa32",
        "address": "maa32 at dana.ucc.nau.edu"
      },
      "date": "2003-09-05T05:40:32+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) latro: mother's mother and misc (Swanwick, etc).",
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          "text": "I think I mentioned the whole \"mother's mother\" thing with Latro in the dream \npalace of lions on the list a few months ago.  My best guess at the time was \nthat Sphinx had become associated with Gaea (and if we read the text in that \nchapter, she has!) and there are other goddess assimilations going on - where \nHera is kind of contiguous with her mother, etc.  So I believed, and still \nbelieve, that Latro is Pleistorus or Ares - it certainly makes sense of that \nscene and the scene in which Zalmoxis and Latro \"fight\", and where the high \npriest of the Thebans (I believe - haven't looked at the books since last May) \ncalls Latro Pleistorus to his face.  And of the fact that Pleistorus has gone \nAWOL for a long time ... where did he go?  Why, he's fled by \ntransubstantiating into a mortal!\n\nOK ... nobody likes the Latro is Ares thread, nor do they like the Green is \nUrth one.  I can live with that.\n\nI had some time off recently and got to read a whole bunch of stuff.  Someone \nmentioned Swanwick on the list a while ago, so I read some of him.  I didn't \ncare for the novels too much.  Except Stations of the Tide - are his \nsurrogates a rip on Wolfe's eidolons?  The technology wasn't very clear to me.\n And why was it important that Gregorian be stopped anyway, if the planet was \ngoing to flood no matter what?  Jack Faust started off pretty good, but then \nit kind of morphed into a bit too much of a standard cautionary tale at the \nend.  The other novels didn't do it for me (haven't read Iron Dragons Daughter \nyet, though).  Any thoughts on Stations of the Tide as an imitation of Wolfe, \nwith science and magic mixing, weird surrogates who can live on after the \noriginal dies, but usually are re-incorporated, and characters named \"Undine\" \nand \"Pelagia\", with a big flooded world ...\n\nAlso got to partially wend my way through Free Live Free again (haven't \nfinished it a second time yet).  What's the deal with the typewriter \nmumbo-jumbo that Serpentina types out?  Is that some sort of code or what?  \nIt's in Chapter 8 (Adam Alcar Dageram, etc.)  Maybe it's made clear later - if \nso, sorry - I'm sure I'll finish the whole thing again eventually.\n\nJust some randomness.\nTake care, all.\nMarc Aramini"
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