Silkhorn's mission after BotSS The Urth list — 5 messages, 4 voices, 05 Oct 2004 https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/4237 Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact. ============================================================================== Christopher Culver — 05 Oct 2004, 09:03 The relatively-new CAMBRIDGE COMPANION TO SCIENCE FICTION includes an essay which dedicates about a page and a half to Wolfe's solar works. The overview isn't terribly in-depth, but I found it most interesting that the writer sees Silk as going on to become "a fisher of men" among the stars at the end of the Book of the Short Sun. This changed my view of the ending of the BotSS entirely. I originally thought it was an inexplicable and cruel abandoning of Blue by Silkhorn after saving some of his buddies from it (as in the traditional belief of the Harrowing of Hell). Now, however, I can see that perhaps Wolfe wanted it to be an optimistic finale in which worship of the Outsider will spread all over the universe. Sure, Blue is abandoned by Silkhorn himself, but there are still those who knew Silk, or read Horn's book, so they know of the Outsider, and monotheism might continue on, especially if (as Wolfe's Catholic faith would have it) the Holy Spirit continues its work eternally. Does the idea of Silk as galactic bringer of good news make anyone else appreciate the ending of BotSS more? Christopher Culver ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ James Wynn — 05 Oct 2004, 10:12 in reply to Christopher Culver > Christopher Culver: > Does the idea of Silk as galactic bringer of good news make > anyone else appreciate the ending of BotSS more? Hmmm.. Who will he take the "good news" too? The Neighbors and Inhumi hardly needed whatever theological messages the Short Sun Narrator had to offer. Rather becoming a mere foil for the Whorl pantheon (which in fact, the Whorl cannot live without - they're are modules of the Mainframe) it seemed to me that the characters who return are supposed to "heal" the pantheon in some way (I don't now exactly how). After all, Pas was almost rubbed by his wife and at least three children. He returns in pieces really -- and is it likely he's yet entirely whole? Then he proceeds to erase Echidna, Scylla, Molpe, and Hierax. Who returns to the Whorl? Silk, Nettle, Seawrack, Marble, and Oreb. A nearly perfect analogy of the damaged gods (I grant that Nettle is a bit of a wedge-job). Naturally, Silk's goal would be have the pantheon and their worshipers recognize the pre-eminence of the Outsider. You are probably right about where the Whorl is going, however. It seems obvious to me after a year of reflection that the ship was always expected to continue on from star to star. Otherwise, what would happen to all the "non-Cargo" on the ship? Wolfe has said there will be no more sequels to the Silk segment, but I think it would be very interesting to see a couple stories on the crew of the Whorl. ~ Crush ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan'l Danehy-Oakes — 05 Oct 2004, 10:17 in reply to James Wynn > > Does the idea of Silk as galactic bringer of good news make > > anyone else appreciate the ending of BotSS more? > Hmmm.. Who will he take the "good news" too? Ummmm ... perhaps this is a literal reading of "In my Father's house there are many mansions." -- www.livejournal.com/users/sturgeonslawyer No president who has presided over Abu Ghraib should ever say he wants to put anyone on a leash. That's all. --Andrew Sullivan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ James Wynn — 05 Oct 2004, 10:38 in reply to Dan'l Danehy-Oakes > > > Does the idea of Silk as galactic bringer of good news make > > > anyone else appreciate the ending of BotSS more? > > Hmmm.. Who will he take the "good news" too? > Ummmm ... perhaps this is a literal reading of "In my Father's house > there are many mansions." Why not? But if so, the planets Neighbors and Inhumi do not strike me as obvious exemplars of the missionary field that the Short Sun Narrator is supposed to evangelize. We know nothing of the religion of the Neighbors (it does not seem likely to me that Mother was an object of worship) and if they were converted to the worship of the Outsider (the Narrator excluded) it is not so stated in the text AFAIK. ~ Crush "We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm." - George Orwell ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Chris — 05 Oct 2004, 12:36 follows, by subject match James Wynn I always thought of his leaving as a way to ensure that the man/messenger didn't eclipse the message. He was back, really, to plant a seed more than to fix all of Blue's problems himself. So I didn't really get that negative connotation in the first place. > The relatively-new CAMBRIDGE COMPANION TO SCIENCE FICTION includes an > essay which dedicates about a page and a half to Wolfe's solar > works. The overview isn't terribly in-depth, but I found it most > interesting that the writer sees Silk as going on to become "a fisher > of men" among the stars at the end of the Book of the Short Sun. > > This changed my view of the ending of the BotSS entirely. I originally > thought it was an inexplicable and cruel abandoning of Blue by > Silkhorn after saving some of his buddies from it (as in the > traditional belief of the Harrowing of Hell). Now, however, I can see > that perhaps Wolfe wanted it to be an optimistic finale in which > worship of the Outsider will spread all over the universe. > > Sure, Blue is abandoned by Silkhorn himself, but there are still those > who knew Silk, or read Horn's book, so they know of the Outsider, and > monotheism might continue on, especially if (as Wolfe's Catholic faith > would have it) the Holy Spirit continues its work eternally. > > Does the idea of Silk as galactic bringer of good news make anyone > else appreciate the ending of BotSS more? > > Christopher Culver > _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------