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  "thread": {
    "id": 427,
    "subject": "Jonas and Hethor as Koreans",
    "messages": 1,
    "voices": 1,
    "first": "1998-03-17T16:03:26+00:00",
    "last": "1998-03-17T16:03:26+00:00"
  },
  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<urth-v0008-0643@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Tony Ellis",
        "address": "tony.ellis at futurenet.co.uk"
      },
      "date": "1998-03-17T16:03:26+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Jonas and Hethor as Koreans",
      "in_reply_to": null,
      "reply_link": null,
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          "text": "                                                                      17/03/98\n                                                                      14:20\n Jonas and Hethor as Koreans etc\n\nIt seems far from likely to me that either Jonas or Hethor are Korean.\n\nC R Culver says that Jonas:"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "babbled in Korean in the\nantechamber (Korean is a nasal, monosyllabic language. I am sure it was Korean\nand not Chinese, because Severian does not speak of tones). "
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "Jonas is a _robot_, remember. A robot assembled in Korea might\nbabble in that langauge when delirious, it's true, but it seems far\nmore likely to me that what Severian is hearing is some form of\ncomputer-speak. The vocal equivalent of 8086 machine code, if \nyou like.\n\nAnd of Kim Lee Soong:"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "the fact that they would remember that ancient name from our time\nis staggering and improbable"
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "It doesn't have to date back to \"our time\". Only a thousand\nyears or so (maybe a lot less) before Ymar such names may\nstill have been in use. If we can accept that the prison as an\ninstitution can have lasted that long, I can accept that one of\nits earliest prisoners has passed into prison folklore. (It's not\nas if they would have had much else to chat about over the\ncenturies...)"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "Mantis wrote:\nThe text says that the prisoners (most but not all--don't forget\nLomer and Nicarete) are descendents of crew of a starship that\ncrashlanded on or near the House Absolute.  They were looking for the\nPort but they couldn't find one at all."
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "I hate to use the C-word again, but where does it say this? Jonas\ntells us that _he_crewed on a ship that crashed, certainly, but the\nprisoners seem to be there for far more mundane reasons."
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "\"Jonas,\" an android sailor on the ship, was repaired with biological\nremnants of an Urth shepherd who was killed by the crash."
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "Mantis, where are you getting this stuff from?!?! :-) Android, yes.\nBut shepherd? Jonas tell us \"He was on the ground... We killed\nhim by accident, coming in.\" Personally I've always assumed that\nhe was talking about entering a sealed environment, and thus\nkilling a human crew-member somehow. If you're suggesting that\nthis person was actually in the path of the crashing ship, fair point,\nbut in that case he could have been anybody: tinker, tailor, soldier,\nsailor. Why shepherd?\n\nWhile I'm being baffled, where does this theory that Hethor is\nKim Lee Soong come from? If Agia says Hethor isn't his real\nname that's good enough for me, but why should he be KLS?\n\nYou'll all thank me for being such a Doubting Thomas one day,\nyou know. <g>"
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