Gilling's killer

The Urth list — 4 messages, 4 voices, 04 Jan 2005
https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/4288

Seth Lombardi04 Jan 2005, 05:31
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What would be Sir Garvaon's motive for killing Gilling? (Rhyme unintentional) And why would Wolfe conceal this for so long?
Jealousy. Garvaon loved Idnn, and was obviously a more worthy suitor than either the monstrous Gilling or the cowardly Svon. It wasn't concealed for very long, as Wolfe's puzzles go.
For this and other reasons, I am fairly certain that Iddn is the murderer.
When Able says that the killer cannot be punished, Garvaon is dead, but Idnn is still alive.
I'm still uncertain about all this... Gilling gets stabbed twice... right? Is it the same person both times? Seems unlike Wolfe. Is that really Gilling on that flying horse? I'm not sure.
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She agreed to marry Gilling to achieve power, which she maintains with her army of giantesses, but killed him because sexual congress would mean her death either in coitus or in giving birth to a giant, as Wolfe makes gruesomely explicit.
I wondered about that, since I don't remember another mention of the mothers of the Mice having difficult births.
He underlines it multiple times. See Idnn's breakdown to Able in The Knight and the witch's illusion show to Toug in The Wizard. seth ***************************** Seth Lombardi sethlombardi at hotmail.com sethopopotropolis: http://pages.prodigy.net/nlom/blogg.html AIM: melombardi "Two faces are alike; neither is funny by itself, but side by side their likeness makes us laugh" -Pascal
David Lebling04 Jan 2005, 06:08

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I wondered about that, since I don't remember another mention of the mothers of the Mice having difficult births.
He underlines it multiple times. See Idnn's breakdown to Able in The Knight and the witch's illusion show to Toug in The Wizard.
Isn't there also a segment in The Knight where Gerda (not sure if it was her) describes having borne multiple children to the giant on whose farm she was a slave? She comments that after the first birth they could have normal sex together, implying a vaginal birth rather than a c-section. I don't believe her owner was one of the Mice, but an actual giant. This story seems to contradict the others. -- Dave, aka Vizcacha
Andrew Bollen04 Jan 2005, 06:30

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Mr Lebling says:
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Isn't there also a segment in The Knight where Gerda (not sure if it was her) describes having borne multiple children to the giant on whose farm she was a slave? She comments that after the first birth they could have normal sex together, implying a vaginal birth rather than a c-section. I don't believe her owner was one of the Mice, but an actual giant. This story seems to contradict the others. -- Dave, aka Vizcacha
I'm really not sure why ummm the witch-ghost put on her repulsive little giant-human sex show for Toug. What gives with that? The only reason I can see for her doing it is to (unsuccessfully) attempt to induce Toug to kill Gilling, but why does she want to do that? She has some kind of agenda amongst the giants, perhaps just in aid of Idnn (who is nice to her cat) and/or Able (who was nice to her bones) - but it's totally unclear to me what's going on. And why does Beel think that Toug did try to kill Gilling? There may be some kind of Wolfean hidden story in the long Toug-amongst-the-Giants part of the book. But back to the witch-ghost's nasty little vision of giant-human conubials: it could well be completely false, and designed just to incite and/or disgust Toug. As somebody else mentioned, if that's the way giants and humans really do it, there doesn't seem to be any reason why pregnancy should have to ensue, if the woman doesn't want it.
harlekin at earthlink.net04 Jan 2005, 10:51

↳ follows, by subject match Andrew Bollen

Gilling is a particularly large giant, so this may have something to do with it as well. Don But back to the witch-ghost's nasty little vision of giant-human conubials: it could well be completely false, and designed just to incite and/or disgust Toug. As somebody else mentioned, if that's the way giants and humans really do it, there doesn't seem to be any reason why pregnancy should have to ensue, if the woman doesn't want it.

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