{ "export": { "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/4288", "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 4288, "subject": "Gilling's killer", "messages": 4, "voices": 4, "first": "2005-01-04T05:31:33+00:00", "last": "2005-01-04T10:51:11+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Seth Lombardi", "address": "sethlombardi at hotmail.com" }, "date": "2005-01-04T05:31:33+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Gilling's killer", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "What would be Sir Garvaon's motive for killing Gilling? (Rhyme\nunintentional) And why would Wolfe conceal this for so long?" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Jealousy. Garvaon loved Idnn, and was obviously a more worthy suitor than\neither the monstrous Gilling or the cowardly Svon.\n\nIt wasn't concealed for very long, as Wolfe's puzzles go." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "For this and other reasons, I am fairly certain that Iddn is the \nmurderer." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "When Able says that the killer cannot be punished, Garvaon is dead, but\nIdnn is still alive." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I'm still uncertain about all this... Gilling gets stabbed twice... right? \nIs it the same person both times? Seems unlike Wolfe. Is that really Gilling \non that flying horse? I'm not sure." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "She agreed to marry Gilling to achieve power, which she maintains with \nher\narmy of giantesses, but killed him because sexual congress would mean her\ndeath either in coitus or in giving birth to a giant, as Wolfe makes\ngruesomely explicit." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I wondered about that, since I don't remember another mention of the\nmothers of the Mice having difficult births." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "He underlines it multiple times. See Idnn's breakdown to Able in _The \nKnight_ and the witch's illusion show to Toug in _The Wizard._\n\nseth\n\n*****************************\nSeth Lombardi\nsethlombardi at hotmail.com\nsethopopotropolis: http://pages.prodigy.net/nlom/blogg.html\nAIM: melombardi\n\"Two faces are alike; neither is funny by itself, but side by side their \nlikeness makes us laugh\" -Pascal" } ] }, { "message_id": "<002101c4f266$db188620$a51b0101@gensym.com>", "from": { "name": "David Lebling", "address": "dlebling at hyraxes.com" }, "date": "2005-01-04T06:08:16+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Gilling's killer", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "I wondered about that, since I don't remember another mention of the\nmothers of the Mice having difficult births." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "He underlines it multiple times. See Idnn's breakdown to Able in _The\nKnight_ and the witch's illusion show to Toug in _The Wizard._" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Isn't there also a segment in _The Knight_ where Gerda (not sure if it was\nher) describes having borne multiple children to the giant on whose farm she\nwas a slave? She comments that after the first birth they could have normal\nsex together, implying a vaginal birth rather than a c-section. I don't\nbelieve her owner was one of the Mice, but an actual giant.\n\nThis story seems to contradict the others.\n\n-- Dave, aka Vizcacha" } ] }, { "message_id": "<003b01c4f269$ebc57250$26416596@crunchynut>", "from": { "name": "Andrew Bollen", "address": "abollen at internode.on.net" }, "date": "2005-01-04T06:30:35+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Gilling's killer", "in_reply_to": "<002101c4f266$db188620$a51b0101@gensym.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Mr Lebling says:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Isn't there also a segment in _The Knight_ where Gerda (not sure if it was\nher) describes having borne multiple children to the giant on whose farm \nshe\nwas a slave? She comments that after the first birth they could have \nnormal\nsex together, implying a vaginal birth rather than a c-section. I don't\nbelieve her owner was one of the Mice, but an actual giant.\n\nThis story seems to contradict the others.\n\n-- Dave, aka Vizcacha" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I'm really not sure why ummm the witch-ghost put on her repulsive little \ngiant-human sex show for Toug. What gives with that? The only reason I can \nsee for her doing it is to (unsuccessfully) attempt to induce Toug to kill \nGilling, but why does she want to do that? She has some kind of agenda \namongst the giants, perhaps just in aid of Idnn (who is nice to her cat) \nand/or Able (who was nice to her bones) - but it's totally unclear to me \nwhat's going on. And why does Beel think that Toug did try to kill Gilling?\n\nThere may be some kind of Wolfean hidden story in the long \nToug-amongst-the-Giants part of the book.\n\nBut back to the witch-ghost's nasty little vision of giant-human conubials: \nit could well be completely false, and designed just to incite and/or \ndisgust Toug. As somebody else mentioned, if that's the way giants and \nhumans really do it, there doesn't seem to be any reason why pregnancy \nshould have to ensue, if the woman doesn't want it. " } ] }, { "message_id": "<9518097.1104864665464.JavaMail.root@huey.psp.pas.earthlink.net>", "from": { "name": "harlekin at earthlink.net", "address": "harlekin at earthlink.net" }, "date": "2005-01-04T10:51:11+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Gilling's killer", "in_reply_to": "<003b01c4f269$ebc57250$26416596@crunchynut>", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Gilling is a particularly large giant, so this may have something to do with it as well.\nDon\n\nBut back to the witch-ghost's nasty little vision of giant-human conubials: \nit could well be completely false, and designed just to incite and/or \ndisgust Toug. As somebody else mentioned, if that's the way giants and \nhumans really do it, there doesn't seem to be any reason why pregnancy \nshould have to ensue, if the woman doesn't want it. " } ] } ] }