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  "thread": {
    "id": 4307,
    "subject": "Berthold at the end",
    "messages": 2,
    "voices": 2,
    "first": "2005-01-13T10:11:31+00:00",
    "last": "2005-01-13T10:17:55+00:00"
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  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<89458C85-658E-11D9-90D2-000A95D8A1EC@ou.edu>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Kieran Mullen",
        "address": "kieran at ou.edu"
      },
      "date": "2005-01-13T10:11:31+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Berthold at the end",
      "in_reply_to": null,
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          "text": "     When do we stop worrying about spoilers?\n\n     Extra space for those who are worried about such things.\n\n\n\n     Dum dee dee.....\n\n\n\n     Ok.  Able heals Berthold at the end.  Wolfe writes that this is \nparticularly difficult.  Some have taken this to mean that some part of \nBerthold died and had to be replaced by part of Ben.    I don't see it. \n  It makes sense to me that since Berthold has been basically brain \ndamaged for decades, it would be a bit hard to reverse.  Moreover, it's \nmuch harder to do than fixing a body.   How do you alter the way \nsomeone thinks and still have them be the same person at the end?   In \naddition IIRC  Berthold and Gerda are restored to their youth.  So it \njust makes sense that this is difficult.\n\n    Of course, I don't understand the relationship between Able and Art \nor Berthold and Ben.  I have to reread \"The Knight\" and then reread \n\"The Wizard.\"\n\n    Sigh.\n\n     Kieran Mullen"
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    {
      "message_id": "<1f76173705011310172134b03a@mail.gmail.com>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes",
        "address": "danldo at gmail.com"
      },
      "date": "2005-01-13T10:17:55+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Berthold at the end",
      "in_reply_to": "<89458C85-658E-11D9-90D2-000A95D8A1EC@ou.edu>",
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          "text": "On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:11:24 -0600, Kieran Mullen <kieran at ou.edu> wrote:\n\n     When do we stop worrying about spoilers?"
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "The first of this year was the more or less agreement."
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          "text": "     Ok.  Able heals Berthold at the end.  Wolfe writes that this is\nparticularly difficult. "
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          "text": "To be fussy, Arthur/Able writes that. Meaning that while Wolfe \nactually wrote the words, he wrote them in A's narratorial voice,\nwhich - Wolfe being Wolfe - means we have to consider why he\nwrote that and whether it is strictly speaking \"true.\" I think it is\n- I think A is the most \"reliable\" narrator in the Lupine oeuvre -\nbut we do need to keep these distinctions clear. 8*)"
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          "text": "Of course, I don't understand the relationship between Able and Art\nor Berthold and Ben."
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          "text": "Oh, what a surprise ... Identity issues in a Wolfe novel...\n\nI think that the *first* problem for TWK criticism must be an\nunderstanding of the relationship between Mythgarthr and Earth.\n\n--Dan'l"
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          "text": "www.livejournal.com/users/sturgeonslawyer\nFreedom has no barcode.\n     --J.G. Ballard"
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