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This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 4325, "subject": "Compliant (sic)", "messages": 4, "voices": 4, "first": "2005-01-19T04:38:22+00:00", "last": "2005-01-19T13:33:45+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "<20050119123816.93586.qmail@web25701.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "Jim Raylor", "address": "rjraylor at yahoo.co.uk" }, "date": "2005-01-19T04:38:22+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Compliant (sic)", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "David, I agree that it is unnecessary to re-quote a\nlong message before adding one line of reply.\nI think Maru and Dan'l were merely pointing out the\nparallels in themes, linguistic tricks and aspirations\nbetween Joyce and Wolfe, which I feel is valid\ncomment.\nI also find echoes of Borges and foreshadows of\nHofstadter in 5HOC.\nI attempt to post insights that have occurred to me as\nI re-read this book, if I cannot find evidence that I\nam just raking over dead ashes.\nThis seems an appropriate forum for introducing such\ntopics, which I am quite happy to discuss in private\ncorrespondence, if they stray too far off topic.\n\nReading the book 5HOC in parallel with 'Anne of Green\nGables' and Google is bound to influence the style of\nmy contributions.\n\nThere is one point, where Phaedria's theatrical\nproject is described, which had me laughing out\nloud... (GW's 'jokes' often just make me groan).\n\nThe committee, primarily young women, write a play\nwhich '- inevitably - revolved about the loss of\npolitical power by the original French speaking\ncolonists.'\n\nHow far from the stereotypical picture of the fancies\nthat appeal to young women can you get?\n\nAnne's story group and theatrical party deal with the\nmore usual themes of 'tragical romance'.\n\n\n=====\n\n\n\n\t\n\t\n\t\t" } ] }, { "message_id": "<1f761737050119085846723d86@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes", "address": "danldo at gmail.com" }, "date": "2005-01-19T08:58:54+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Compliant (sic)", "in_reply_to": "<20050119123816.93586.qmail@web25701.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:38:16 +0000 (GMT), Jim Raylor\n wrote:\nI think Maru and Dan'l were merely pointing out the\nparallels in themes, linguistic tricks and aspirations\nbetween Joyce and Wolfe, which I feel is valid\ncomment." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Actually, it was a \"litter of protest,\" against the kind of \nreading often directed at _Finnegans Wake_, in which\n\"it's in there if you can find it, whether or not Joyce\never intended it.\" \n\nLIke ferexample: in the passage (in the first section)\nabout the Willingdone Museyroom (mind yer hat goan\nin!), there is a line about the \"lipoleum boyce \ngrouching in their trinches\" - spelling is approximate, \nfrom memory - and I knew someone who _insisted_ \nthat this was a reference to the Marx brothers, because \nGroucho had worn a Napoleon costume in an early \nstage play. (The woman in question was a moderately\ntalented Joyce scholar and an absolute Marx bros.\nfanatic.) \n\n--Dan'l" }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "www.livejournal.com/users/sturgeonslawyer\nFreedom has no barcode.\n --J.G. Ballard" } ] }, { "message_id": "<01b301c4fe50$a50232c0$4c1e4b0a@vcorp.ad.vrsn.com>", "from": { "name": "James Wynn", "address": "thewynns at earthlink.net" }, "date": "2005-01-19T09:59:41+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Compliant (sic)", "in_reply_to": "<1f761737050119085846723d86@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "I think Maru and Dan'l were merely pointing out the\nparallels in themes, linguistic tricks and aspirations\nbetween Joyce and Wolfe, which I feel is valid\ncomment." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Actually, it was a \"litter of protest,\" against the kind of\nreading often directed at _Finnegans Wake_, in which\n\"it's in there if you can find it, whether or not Joyce\never intended it.\"" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I'm almost embarrassed to broach this subject since some people believe I'm\nas guilty of this as anyone, however...\n\nIn my opinion, you have lost your way in Google. It's powers of association\nare impressive -- so much so that it is a mistake to take results as\nauthoritative in themselves when applying them to Wolfe.\n\nOn the other hand, it is also possible that no one else on the list has\narrived at Wolfe's works with the proper background knowledge (in say, \"Anne\nof Greene Gables\") to appreciate some subtlety that Wolfe has deliberately\nwoven into his works (I've been frustrated by this problem myself at times\nIMO). In that case, you are casting pearls before swine and should obey\nJesus' command regarding this. I recommend writing a series of footnoted\narticles on these ideas and posting them on a website (here's an example:\nhttp://www.urth.org/whorlmap/) so you can attract readers who *are* able to\nappreciate your annotations.\n\nThe best way to tell if only swine are reading your posts is to see whether\nyou are not getting any feedback from other readers on them.\n\nFinally, I am intrigued by your connection with Geneva, Switzerland and\nNumber Five's city. I half suspect that the city is based on Geneva and the\ncities and streets mentioned there can be found on a map of sites (wouldn't\nthe founding city of Calvinism be a just model for Catholic Wolfe's colony\ngone wrong?). I don't believe (as you seem to) that the Engineering college\nis the location of Cave Canem. I think it is quite likely to be the\nSaltimbanque theatre. Yet, I personally wouldn't mind seeing this theory\npoked with a few sticks.\n\nBut I'm not sure if that will happen because your other posts are unjustly\nundermining your credibility on any matter. As an example, when I queried\nfor possible candidates in Geneva architecture for the Library in TFHoC, you\nposted the address for the library in Geneva, NEW YORK. I think this made us\nboth look foolish...as though I had begun an earnest intellectual discussion\nwith a homeless man muttering to himself in the streets, or that I had been\ntaken in by a prankster.\n\nYou've planted a lot of seeds in the last two days. Why not sit back and see\nif anything grows from it?\n\n~ Crush" } ] }, { "message_id": "<41EED218.6010901@gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "maru", "address": "marudubshinki at gmail.com" }, "date": "2005-01-19T13:33:45+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Compliant (sic)", "in_reply_to": "<20050119123816.93586.qmail@web25701.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Jim something just occured to me: Cerberus came out in 1972 no? The \nmention of the French inevitably brings to mind their failure at Dien \nBien Phu, which led to America's entry into the Vietnam war. What \nsignificance do you think those real world events have to the plot?\n\n~Maru" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Jim Raylor wrote:\nThe committee, primarily young women, write a play\nwhich '- inevitably - revolved about the loss of\npolitical power by the original French speaking\ncolonists.'\n\nHow far from the stereotypical picture of the fancies\nthat appeal to young women can you get?\n\n\n\n " } ] } ] }