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  "thread": {
    "id": 4343,
    "subject": "Broceliande's forest",
    "messages": 2,
    "voices": 2,
    "first": "2005-01-27T14:24:55+00:00",
    "last": "2005-01-27T15:09:09+00:00"
  },
  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<000101c504bf$0341dd80$6401a8c0@TONYSPC>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Tony Ellis",
        "address": "tonyellis69 at btopenworld.com"
      },
      "date": "2005-01-27T14:24:55+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Broceliande's forest",
      "in_reply_to": null,
      "reply_link": null,
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          "text": "Broceliande wrote:\n<lots!>"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "1.      What is the evidence for and against the existence of \nthe Annese,  "
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "Well, the 'What Abos?' thread tackled this way back when, and hopefully\nwe covered at least some of the key points. The argument starts here, if\nyou can bear it:\nhttp://www.urth.net/urth/archives/v0204/816.txt.shtml\n\nI should point out that Robert Borski rendered our whole debate largely\npointless by quoting Wolfe as saying the narrator of VRT is a Shadow\nChild. I think 'Shadow Child' was a slip of the tongue for 'abo', but\nI'm open to persuasion."
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "2.      Is Veil's hypothesis correct? "
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "We're shown people who can use tools, and people who can't, so no, I\ndon't think the Annese can have replaced the human colonists entirely.\nQuite aside from anything else, if every colonist is an abo, why do they\nthink they are colonists? How can they read? How can they maintain their\nrich, complex culture, if they were all naked savages three generations\nago?\n\nIf you want to find the Annese, you have to look among the illiterate\nand the marginalised: the beggars and the slaves. I believe in what I\nunderstand to be Liev's postpostulate: that after the war, some of the\nAnnese were able to enter human society under the guise of being French\nrefugees. Victor's mother is one, Cassila is another."
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "2. Did Victor become Marsch, or did Marsch become Victor, or \nis the prisoner \na synchretisation of the two?"
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "The prisoner writes with the same wretched handwriting as Victor: we see\nthe officer look back at Victor's old schoolbook and nod to himself.\nThis, and masses of circumstantial evidence, suggests that Victor became\nMarsch. "
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "message_id": "<018101c504c5$3450b4e0$4c1e4b0a@vcorp.ad.vrsn.com>",
      "from": {
        "name": "James Wynn",
        "address": "thewynns at earthlink.net"
      },
      "date": "2005-01-27T15:09:09+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Broceliande's forest",
      "in_reply_to": "<000101c504bf$0341dd80$6401a8c0@TONYSPC>",
      "reply_link": "header",
      "blocks": [
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "We're shown people who can use tools, and people who can't, so no, I\ndon't think the Annese can have replaced the human colonists entirely.\nQuite aside from anything else, if every colonist is an abo, why do they\nthink they are colonists? How can they read? How can they maintain their\nrich, complex culture, if they were all naked savages three generations\nago?"
        },
        {
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          "text": "Well, there is a constant influx of colonists from Earth. So it is possible\nthe soldier reviewing VRT's case has only recently arrived. I've always been\nsecretly attracted to the idea that the Clones are the last native born\n\"humans\" alive on the planet. Unfortunately, I haven't a sliver of proof of\nthis.\n\n~ Crush"
        }
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