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  "thread": {
    "id": 4393,
    "subject": "Back, after the Urth of the New Sun (2nd attepmt)",
    "messages": 2,
    "voices": 2,
    "first": "2005-04-02T22:19:51+00:00",
    "last": "2005-04-02T22:40:04+00:00"
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    {
      "message_id": "<BAY14-F6A653B8CC9A85076764F2953A0@phx.gbl>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Andrew Kertesz",
        "address": "zsetrek_a at hotmail.com"
      },
      "date": "2005-04-02T22:19:51+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Back, after the Urth of the New Sun (2nd attepmt)",
      "in_reply_to": null,
      "reply_link": null,
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          "text": "Ugh - stupid Hotmail - I'll try this again.\n\nWow.\n\nI finished it a few hours ago, and I've managed to give myself a monstrous \nheadache from reading too much, too quickly, but by God it was worth it. :)\n\nDuring the first half (the events on the ship and in Yesod), I was worried \nthat it would be nothing more than a superfluous add-on to the other books. \nI should have had more faith. It ended up enriching the whole series (and \nalso making it that much harder to understand and decypher).\n\nThanks to everyone who responded to my first post (\" Newbie - a theory and \nsome questions\").\n\nDan'l - I picked up the Arion reference, but only, I think, because you had \nmentioned that I should be on the look out for it. Is the underground \ncreature in the Saltus mines somehow related to these three?\n\nChris - \"Abaia, Erebus & co. were described as aliens, if you believe the \norigin\nstory of where they came from.\" - Is the story you're refering to, the one \nJonas begins to tell at the Piteous Gate (the black beans)? I never really \nunderstood the significance of that one...\n\nIn regards to my Agilus theory - My justification falls apart a little when \nit becomes apparent that Ossipago is in fact, a machine and not a cacogen. \nAlso, the idea of anti-cacogens doesn't really fit in with the whole \n\"heirogammates created them to help uplift the people of Urth\" thing.\nSo now, I'm back where I started. Possibly, this is one of those Ulyssian \n\"details without meaning\" devices that Wolfe has (I think) admitted to \ninduging in, but it's nagging at me.\nMy only other ideas are that 1) Agilus was a child of Abia, like Idas, or 2) \nhe was a sorceror like Ceryx and the jungle warlocks. The first one is \npretty shakey, but the second - while much more plausible, and probably true \n- isn't as fun, is it?\n\nThe most far-out idea I had, and one that I don't belive for a second is \ntrue (but it would be neat if it was) is that Agilus is Severian himself, on \none of his time journeys. The idea of Severian executing himself just seems \nkinda poetic to my twisted brain.\n\nOh, also re. the long turn-around time between messages - I think that the \nHotmail.com spam filter is killing URTH messages... meh.\n\nAndrew Kertesz"
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    {
      "message_id": "<1f76173705040222407b15c4f6@mail.gmail.com>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes",
        "address": "danldo at gmail.com"
      },
      "date": "2005-04-02T22:40:04+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Back, after the Urth of the New Sun (2nd attepmt)",
      "in_reply_to": "<BAY14-F6A653B8CC9A85076764F2953A0@phx.gbl>",
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          "text": "On Apr 2, 2005 10:19 PM, Andrew Kertesz <zsetrek_a at hotmail.com> wrote:\nUgh - stupid Hotmail - I'll try this again."
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "Actually, the first one went through. Don't worry about it."
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "During the first half (the events on the ship and in Yesod), I was worried\nthat it would be nothing more than a superfluous add-on to the other books.\nI should have had more faith. It ended up enriching the whole series (and\nalso making it that much harder to understand and decypher)."
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "Yeah ... My initial reaction when reading it lo these many years ago was,\n\"He's giving away the stuff I had to work to figure out! No fair!\" but then\nhe added soooo much more..."
        },
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          "depth": 1,
          "text": "Dan'l - I picked up the Arion reference, but only, I think, because you had\nmentioned that I should be on the look out for it. Is the underground\ncreature in the Saltus mines somehow related to these three?"
        },
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          "kind": "text",
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          "text": "That's an excellent question. My own theory is that the thing in the\nmines is either a Balrog or Shudde-M'ell. But I'm mostly joking.\n\n--Dan'l"
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          "text": "You probably do not want to know what that odor is. \nhttp://www.livejournal.com/users/sturgeonslawyer"
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