# grengarm *The Urth list — 2 messages, 2 voices, 05 May 2005* > Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright > in each message remains with the person who wrote it. > Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original > archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than > retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact. --- ### thoms at sas.upenn.edu *05 May 2005, 13:28* I'm new to the list, and I have a burning question, having just finished reading both the Knight and the Wizard: Whose face does Able see as he looks into Grengarm's maw? At the end of TK, after Able stabs Grengarm and the two begin falling, the dragon's head turns toward him and opens. At this moment Able writes something to the effect of "that which was hidden was revealed." Wolfe established earlier that no matter what form Garsecg took, be it the alligator-like creature on the steps of the Tower of Glas, or his true dragon-form, Setr, Garsecg's face appears in the mouths of both. At first I thought it would turn out to be Arnthor or Morcaine, since they were siblings to Setr/Garsecg, but their appearance after Grengarm is killed would seem to rule that out. Anyone else have any thoughts about this? Thanks, and I have enjoyed reading through the previous posts. Scott --- ### thalassocrat at nym.hush.com *05 May 2005, 15:02 · follows thoms at sas.upenn.edu* > On Thu, 05 May 2005 13:28:19 -0700 thoms at sas.upenn.edu wrote: > I'm new to the list, and I have a burning question, having just > finished reading > both the Knight and the Wizard: > Whose face does Able see as he looks into Grengarm's maw? Art says somewhere in Wizard that he saw the screaming faces of those who had been sacrificed to Grengarm by the Easterlings at ummm the Mountain of Fire or whatever it's called. How that fits with Garseg's face in Setr, I'm not sure. After reading Knight, I was convinced that Setr had eaten Garsecg, who I thought must have been the original king of the Sea Aelf, and therefore Setr had his face & coud assume his form. That would have fitted with the faces in Grengarm, but it doesn't seem to get supported by much else. On the other hand, Garsecg appears to be much older than Arnthor and Morcaine, his supposed siblings ... ---