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    "id": 4426,
    "subject": "...a little help here (new urthling)",
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    "first": "2005-05-18T08:10:26+00:00",
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      "from": {
        "name": "Alexander Wallis",
        "address": "bloodredstar at hotmail.com"
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      "date": "2005-05-18T08:10:26+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) ...a little help here (new urthling)",
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      "from": {
        "name": "James Wynn",
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      "date": "2005-05-20T12:25:25+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) ...a little help here (new urthling)",
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          "text": "Okay. I'll take this one on. For starters, a re-reading is probably in\norder. It is often said that Wolfe cannot be read, only re-read.\n\nAlexander Wallis said:"
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          "text": "However I have to admit I got a little lost not long after Severian's\nreturn to Urth.  In fact the last couple of chapters were pretty much lost\non me and I don't understand the significance of Apu-Punchau."
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          "text": "Hmmm...well, if you only failed to see the significance of Apu-Punchau, then\nthere is probably a lot of which you misunderstood the significance and\ndidn't realize it.\n\nThere are possibly many points to the AP story, such as the nature of \nprophecy to an Increate who exists outside of time. The nature of identity \nof the Christian Messiah (vis a vis Dionysus, Hari Krishna, and Mithra) in \nthat Conciliator IS, is LIKE, and is NOT the same as, Apu-Punchau who was an \nearlier Conciliator when Urth's Sun was young and hale. I'm sure there are \nother significances."
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          "text": "From reading your discussions it seems clear there is no definitive\nexplanation of anything about these books."
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          "text": "See? You are picking this up fast."
        },
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          "text": "However I'd like to know what\nlong term Wolfe readers understand by the concluding events in Urth of the\nNew Sun. Specifically was Severian also the bringer of the old Sun?"
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          "text": "In what way do you mean that? The Old Sun is damaged by having a black hole \nin it. Severian brings \"The White Fountain\", a reverse black hole to heal \nit."
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          "text": "Was Apu-Punchau\nmerely Severian in an earlier time, or were they both representations of \nthe\nsame principle (as per the anima discussion)?"
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          "text": "Well, let me ask you: Who was the Severian who \"nearly\" drowned in the Gyol? \nWho was the Severian that fell down that shaft in UotNS?\n\n~ Crush "
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