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This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 4445, "subject": "urth-urth.net Digest, Vol 10, Issue 12", "messages": 3, "voices": 3, "first": "2005-06-12T16:50:52+00:00", "last": "2005-06-13T21:49:10+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "<000501c56fa9$8e5b4730$4f14cb45@VALUED664B84C7>", "from": { "name": "Joe Smulkstis", "address": "jismulkstis at nyc.rr.com" }, "date": "2005-06-12T16:50:52+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Re: urth-urth.net Digest, Vol 10, Issue 12", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I've been reading science fiction for 40 years. I've been to conventions.\nI've got some idea of what \"filksinging\" is and my instincts have led me to\navoid it.\n\nHowever, I have no bloody idea what a \"filk\" actually is. Can some kind\nor condescending soul define it for me?\n\nMuskrat\n\n----- Original Message ----- " }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "From: \nTo: \nSent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 15:06 PM\nSubject: urth-urth.net Digest, Vol 10, Issue 12\nSend urth-urth.net mailing list submissions to\nurth-urth.net at lists.urth.net\n\nTo subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit\nhttp://lists.urth.net/listinfo.cgi/urth-urth.net\nor, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to\nurth-urth.net-request at lists.urth.net\n\nYou can reach the person managing the list at\nurth-urth.net-owner at lists.urth.net\n\nWhen replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific\nthan \"Re: Contents of urth-urth.net digest...\"\n\n\nToday's Topics:\n\n 1. Re: urth-urth.net Digest, Vol 10, Issue 11 (Josh Young)\n 2. Re: SV: (urth) cthulhu mythos, BotNS (Sarah Dorrance-Minch)\n\n\n----------------------------------------------------------------------\n\nMessage: 1\nDate: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 20:33:25 -0400\nFrom: Josh Young \nSubject: (urth) Re: urth-urth.net Digest, Vol 10, Issue 11\nTo: urth-urth.net at lists.urth.net\nMessage-ID: <2e6fee3b05061117335cc8b962 at mail.gmail.com>\nContent-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1\n\nIn regards to the difference between the simulators, I sort of just\nchalked that conversation up to SF conventions; I pretty much knew the\nanswer before Mr. Million provided it. However, dumb me, now that I\nthink about it, nothing's ever that simple with Wolfe, is it?\nInteresting train of thought, there; could it be that #5 and father\nare bound simulators? In addition to clones? Cyborg clone/simulators?\nMaybe the expirements #5's father performed on him involved installing\na bound personality, hence the periods of increasing amnesia?\n\nAlso, did anyone notice the similarity between the description of the\nghoul-bear and the alzabo? I'm trying to remember if the alzabo had\nman-like eyes of beast-like eyes; my friend has my copy of the New Sun\nbooks. But I also seem to remember the alzabo digging up corpses and\neating them.--\n~Josh\n_____________________________________\n\"Fear is the mind killer\" - Frank Herbert's Dune\n\"If you want to get warm, you must stand near the fire. If you want to\nbe wet, you must get into the water. If you want joy, power, peace,\neternal life, you must get close to... the thing that has them. They\nare not the sort of prize that God....[would].... just hand out to\nanyone.\" - CS Lewis, Mere Christianity\n\"Mortal love is merely our introduction to the immortal\" - Margaret\nWeis & Tracy Hickman's The Seventh Gate\n\n\n------------------------------\n\nMessage: 2\nDate: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 20:38:22 -0700 (PDT)\nFrom: Sarah Dorrance-Minch \nSubject: Re: SV: (urth) cthulhu mythos, BotNS" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Maru Dubshinki", "address": "marudubshinki at gmail.com" }, "date": "2005-06-12T18:58:21+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Re: urth-urth.net Digest, Vol 10, Issue 12", "in_reply_to": "<000501c56fa9$8e5b4730$4f14cb45@VALUED664B84C7>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Use the Wiki... The Wiki is, err, sticky to knowledge. Let some of\nthat knowledge stick to you!\n\nhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filk_music\n\nIncidentally, there's a baby article on tBotNS that could use some\nwork, if anyone would like to volunteer:\nhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Book_of_the_New_Sun\n\n~Maru" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 6/12/05, Joe Smulkstis wrote:\nI've been reading science fiction for 40 years. I've been to conventions.\nI've got some idea of what \"filksinging\" is and my instincts have led me to\navoid it.\n\nHowever, I have no bloody idea what a \"filk\" actually is. Can some kind\nor condescending soul define it for me?\n\nMuskrat\n\n----- Original Message -----\nFrom: \nTo: \nSent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 15:06 PM\nSubject: urth-urth.net Digest, Vol 10, Issue 12" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Send urth-urth.net mailing list submissions to\nurth-urth.net at lists.urth.net\n\nTo subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit\nhttp://lists.urth.net/listinfo.cgi/urth-urth.net\nor, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to\nurth-urth.net-request at lists.urth.net\n\nYou can reach the person managing the list at\nurth-urth.net-owner at lists.urth.net\n\nWhen replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific\nthan \"Re: Contents of urth-urth.net digest...\"\n\n\nToday's Topics:\n\n 1. Re: urth-urth.net Digest, Vol 10, Issue 11 (Josh Young)\n 2. Re: SV: (urth) cthulhu mythos, BotNS (Sarah Dorrance-Minch)\n\n\n----------------------------------------------------------------------\n\nMessage: 1\nDate: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 20:33:25 -0400\nFrom: Josh Young \nSubject: (urth) Re: urth-urth.net Digest, Vol 10, Issue 11\nTo: urth-urth.net at lists.urth.net\nMessage-ID: <2e6fee3b05061117335cc8b962 at mail.gmail.com>\nContent-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1\n\nIn regards to the difference between the simulators, I sort of just\nchalked that conversation up to SF conventions; I pretty much knew the\nanswer before Mr. Million provided it. However, dumb me, now that I\nthink about it, nothing's ever that simple with Wolfe, is it?\nInteresting train of thought, there; could it be that #5 and father\nare bound simulators? In addition to clones? Cyborg clone/simulators?\nMaybe the expirements #5's father performed on him involved installing\na bound personality, hence the periods of increasing amnesia?\n\nAlso, did anyone notice the similarity between the description of the\nghoul-bear and the alzabo? I'm trying to remember if the alzabo had\nman-like eyes of beast-like eyes; my friend has my copy of the New Sun\nbooks. But I also seem to remember the alzabo digging up corpses and\neating them.--\n~Josh\n_____________________________________\n\"Fear is the mind killer\" - Frank Herbert's Dune\n\"If you want to get warm, you must stand near the fire. If you want to\nbe wet, you must get into the water. If you want joy, power, peace,\neternal life, you must get close to... the thing that has them. They\nare not the sort of prize that God....[would].... just hand out to\nanyone.\" - CS Lewis, Mere Christianity\n\"Mortal love is merely our introduction to the immortal\" - Margaret\nWeis & Tracy Hickman's The Seventh Gate\n\n\n------------------------------\n\nMessage: 2\nDate: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 20:38:22 -0700 (PDT)\nFrom: Sarah Dorrance-Minch \nSubject: Re: SV: (urth) cthulhu mythos, BotNS" } ] }, { "message_id": "<20050614044905.85505.qmail@web31905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "Sarah Dorrance-Minch", "address": "isobelwren at yahoo.com" }, "date": "2005-06-13T21:49:10+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Re: urth-urth.net Digest, Vol 10, Issue 12", "in_reply_to": "<000501c56fa9$8e5b4730$4f14cb45@VALUED664B84C7>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "--- Joe Smulkstis wrote:\nHowever, I have no bloody idea what a \"filk\"\nactually is. Can some kind\nor condescending soul define it for me?" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "It's either original folk music written about science\nfiction/fantasy/horror topics, including books and\nmovies of those genres, sometimes written by the\nauthors as a sort of supplement to their own work -\nsome of the better examples include Ursula LeGuin's\n\"anthropological collection\" soundtrack to her _Always\nComing Home_ novel, and the poetic songs penned by\nJ.R.R. Tolkein for his Middle Earth work...\n\n(Mercedes Lackey has done this for her Valdemar books,\nand this filk is probably better known than my two\nexamples)\n\nOR\n\nit's spoof lyrics written to pre-existing tunes. They\ncan be related to speculative fiction, also, but it's\nnot mandatory. (I'm sure you have heard of Weird Al\nYankovic.)\n\nIf you like folk music of the Pete\nSeegur/Leadbelly/Arlo Guthrie variety, you could do\nworse than to try some Leslie Fish. She writes both\noriginal left-wing protest lyrics and speculative\nfiction fandom/SCA subculture stuff, and even if you\ndon't agree with her personal stance (I do, but that's\nanother kettle of fish. as it were...) her talent is\nobvious. She plays guitar well. I relly do think she's\nthe successor to Guthrie (Arlo? Woody? No idea. She's\ngood, anyway.)\n\n\"Filk\" is a term that came from a misprint of the word\n\"folk\" - many, many, many cons ago.\n\n\n\nMidori/Sarah\n\nAh, love couldst thou and I conspire/ To grasp this sorry scheme of things entire/ Would we not break it all to bits, and then/ Remold it nearer to the heart's desire - Omar Khayyam\n\nReach me a gentian, give me a torch\nlet me guide myself with the blue, forked torch of this flower\ndown the darker and darker stairs, where blue is darkened on blueness.\n - D.H. Lawrence, \"Bavarian Gentians\"" } ] } ] }