# posting conventions (was GW and CP) *The Urth list — 3 messages, 3 voices, 21 Jun 2005* > Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright > in each message remains with the person who wrote it. > Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original > archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than > retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact. --- ### Dan *21 Jun 2005, 07:28* Sorry David, chastisement duly noted. I'll avoid any non-contextual abbreviations in the future. Coming across an acronym without any prior attribution annoys me as well. Maru explained it better than I, since I wouldn't have thought to include the wiki links. Thanks Maru! Dan > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 00:27:00 -0400 > From: Maru Dubshinki > Subject: Re: (urth) gene wolfe and cyberpunk > To: The Urth Mailing List > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Well, there you go: he has lapsed into anime vocabularly, so don't feel bad. > > In case you were wondering, GitS was discussed earlier- it is "Ghost > in the Shell". > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_in_the_shell > > AS stands for the popular programming segment Cartoon Network airs > late at night, called "Adult Swim". > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adult_Swim > (The name comes form the fact that at night, the kids aren't watching > so they can show more mature 'adult' stuff- kinda like a pool. Get it, > adult swim=... ah never mind.) > > ~Maru > On a very side note, I'm surpised you don't like bottom-posting- every > forum Usenet or otherwise, has told me to bottom post, and definitely > not top- but you seem to prefer top, so I shall. > > On 6/16/05, David Kirby wrote: >> Okay, the abbreviation "DADoES" is probably familiar enough to SF fans, >> even without my inclusion above of the improbably capitalized "do >> androids dream of electric sheep." >> >> But "GitS"? "AS"? I have no idea what you're talking about here. >> (That statement may pin me as an ol' fogey -- the first time I've >> been so pinned -- but I suspect many written SF contributors will >> agree with its sentiment.) These may have been explained earlier >> in the thread, but they aren't explained in this message, and they >> should have been. One of the advantages of Usenet or mailing lists >> is that a reader or participant doesn't have to know *everything* >> that has gone before in order to participate. (Most Web-based >> discussion forums I've seen don't have or don't encourage a >> ["here's what I had to say" --> "here's what you respond"] format.) >> >> (Top-posting is also appreciated, if appropriate, although >> "interleaved" posting is perfectly accepted when appropriate. >> Bottom-posting is not appreciated and indicates, at least to >> me, that you've not read carefully the post you're responding >> to.) >> >> Can we, please, try to be a bit more inclusive in future >> messages? >> >> Thanks, >> >> -- David --- ### David Kirby *21 Jun 2005, 13:08 · in reply to Dan* > Dan wrote: > > Sorry David, chastisement duly noted. I'll avoid any non-contextual > abbreviations in the future. Coming across an acronym without any prior > attribution annoys me as well. > > Maru explained it better than I, since I wouldn't have thought to > include the wiki links. Thanks Maru! No problem. I'm just glad to get an answer. Hey, you think you need chastised . . . . I haven't looked at e-mail recently -- this is the first time since I sent my note. I sent the earlier message both without sleep and in the middle of a move. Which is to say -- Maru (and Jeff Wilson) called me on the top- vs. bottom-posting claim I made, and they are both absolutely correct. *PLEASE* bottom post rather than top post! ("Interleaving" is better than either -- the one thing I got correct in my rant!) I don't know how my brain's synapses managed to flip top- and bottom-, but they did. As authors say in their "thanks to others" acknowledgments, I take full responsibility for the mistakes made by my synapses. I used to be an anime fan, some 20 years ago when I knew others who were anime fans. I obviously haven't seen much recently. My loss. On an unrelated but Wolfeian note: Do "chastise" and "chaste" share a common root? I can think of a number of jokes if they do. The only hint of such a connection that my _Random House Unabridged Dictionary_ (2d ed.) provides is this under "chastise": "3. _Archaic._ to restrain; chasten. 4. _Archaic._ to refine, purify." Otherwise, the dictionary traces "chastise" to Middle English and "chaste" to Middle English by way of Old French by way of Latin. I haven't a clue. Thanks for letting my abase myself! -- David ``` ============================================================== "It is possible I already had some presentiment of my future." == Gene Wolfe, Shadow of the Torturer David B. Kirby, dbkirby at pressroom.com ============================================================== ``` --- ### Maru Dubshinki *21 Jun 2005, 15:04 · in reply to David Kirby* On 6/21/05, David Kirby wrote: ... > Maru (and Jeff Wilson) called me on the top- vs. bottom-posting claim > I made, and they are both absolutely correct. *PLEASE* bottom post > rather than top post! ("Interleaving" is better than either -- the one > thing I got correct in my rant!) I don't know how my brain's synapses > managed to flip top- and bottom-, but they did. As authors say in > their "thanks to others" acknowledgments, I take full responsibility > for the mistakes made by my synapses. > > I used to be an anime fan, some 20 years ago when I knew others who > were anime fans. I obviously haven't seen much recently. My loss. > > On an unrelated but Wolfeian note: Do "chastise" and "chaste" share a > common root? I can think of a number of jokes if they do. The only hint > of such a connection that my _Random House Unabridged Dictionary_ > (2d ed.) provides is this under "chastise": "3. _Archaic._ to restrain; > chasten. 4. _Archaic._ to refine, purify." Otherwise, the dictionary > traces "chastise" to Middle English and "chaste" to Middle English by > way of Old French by way of Latin. I haven't a clue. > > Thanks for letting my abase myself! > > -- David I would never interfere in someone's posessions abasing themselves. But fortunately, I, for my graduation, received a copy of the OED, and I find that the chaste/chastise is apparently a fairly interesting bit of philology; chaste, it is fairly sure, comes from the Old French (no mention of Latin tho'), but chastise is completely different: "An equivalent of the earlier CHASTE and CHASTY, the formation of which is not easily accounted for. There is no recorded medieval Latin "castizare", French "chastiser", and no Old French "chastir", "chastiss-", the usual source of "-ise" and "-ize" in English verbs; the word is too early to have been a simple English formation from CHASTE a. + "-ise". The stress was originally alwyas on the first syllable, is generally so with Shakespeare (7 times vs. 2)".... ~Maru All your abase are belong to us ---