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  "thread": {
    "id": 4473,
    "subject": "Similarities between TWK and \"Golden City Far\"",
    "messages": 2,
    "voices": 2,
    "first": "2005-07-18T15:43:48+00:00",
    "last": "2005-07-20T21:52:40+00:00"
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  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<5ef9285050718154222c6cb79@mail.gmail.com>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Dustin Frost",
        "address": "djakfrost at gmail.com"
      },
      "date": "2005-07-18T15:43:48+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Similarities between TWK and \"Golden City Far\"",
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          "text": " I haven't seen any mention of it (I've been lurking since the beginning of \nThe Wizard postings), and I couldn't pull up anything in a search of the \narchives, so I thought I'd bring it up here. For any who might have missed \nit, \"Golden City Far\" is the last story in the 'Flights: Extreme Visions of \nFantasy' anthology, which I think was just published in trade paperback, as \nwell as another upcoming Wolfe collection, Starwater Strains.\n Anyway, the similarities are too many to be coincidence. Is \"Golden City \nFar\" the extract version (like condensed, but moreso)? Was it a jumping off \npoint for TWK? Is there any relation to Castleview? Or am I just reading too \nmuch into it?"
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    {
      "message_id": "<001201c58daf$f4f7c940$333ec6d8@rclackey.stic.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Roy C. Lackey",
        "address": "rclackey at stic.net"
      },
      "date": "2005-07-20T21:52:40+00:00",
      "subject": "(urth) Similarities between TWK and \"Golden City Far\"",
      "in_reply_to": "<5ef9285050718154222c6cb79@mail.gmail.com>",
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          "text": "Dustin Frost wrote:\nAnyway, the similarities are too many to be coincidence. Is \"Golden City\nFar\" the extract version (like condensed, but moreso)? Was it a jumping off\npoint for TWK? Is there any relation to Castleview? Or am I just reading too\nmuch into it?<<"
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          "text": "I hadn't read the story before, but now that I have I agree that the\ncorrespondence with TWK is striking. Still, I don't believe the works are\nrelated; that is, I don't believe the \"dream\" world entered into by Bill is\nthe same world as that entered into by Art in TWK. GW may have been riffing\noff one of his own ideas when he wrote the short story, which was\ncopyrighted in 2004. The story is also like CASTLEVIEW in so far as the\nsupernatural elements intrude into our \"real\" world.\n\nWhat might be profitable to pursue are the stages whereby Bill, like Art, is\ntransformed, with very little effort on his part, from a nondescript\nfifteen-year-old student into a Hero. The personages he encounters in the\nprocess might also inform the relationships Art makes with similar\ncharacters along the way in TWK. Then again, maybe not. Could Gylf talk for\nthe same reason that Shep could? I don't know, but I doubt it.\n\nWelcome to the list.\n\n-Roy"
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