{ "export": { "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/4476", "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 4476, "subject": "Lexicon Urthus", "messages": 13, "voices": 5, "first": "2005-07-21T21:44:03+00:00", "last": "2005-07-22T20:28:01+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Maru Dubshinki", "address": "marudubshinki at gmail.com" }, "date": "2005-07-21T21:44:03+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Re: Lexicon Urthus", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Oops. Apologies all, my bad. I thought gmail had deleted the first\ndraft, not sent it.\n\nWon't happen again, I promise!\n\n\n~Maru\nfor what's it worth, I think the first one is easier to read." } ] }, { "message_id": "<2124d6b105072121497512c702@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "pthwndxrclzp", "address": "aquastor at gmail.com" }, "date": "2005-07-21T21:50:06+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Lexicon Urthus", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "If MA-D/Mantis were to grant a public license, and my doing so would\nbe within the constraints of such a license, I would be\ndelighted/honored to digitize the book and make the results available\nto the list members. Given the passion and commitment of most if not\nall of us, it seems a first-water tragedy (or vicious crime, take your\npick) that the book is essentially unavailable.\n\nThat said (well, written), and alternatively, should Mr. Mantis be\nreading or sent a copy of this discussion, I should point out that\nhttp://www.lulu.com/ could make printed copies available nearly\novernight, at whatever price MA-D deemed suitable (with a good and\nwell-deserved commission on each going directly to him -- I think lulu\ncharges about seven bucks for a perfect-bound copy, so with a price\npoint of, say, $20, I think he'd do okay, and he'd have a bunch of\nnewly-delighted customers).\n\nFor what it's worth, my $.02 on the subject. Er, two-hundredths of a\ncard. Whatever.\n\n-Aquastor\n\n*********************************************************\n\n~Maru wrote:\n\nI was not active on this list when mantis was, nor have my occasional\ntrawls through the archive (is it just me, or are the archive digests\nbroken? http://www.urth.net/urth/archives/v212.shtml gives me a 404.)\nreally revealed much of mants' personality to me.\nIs it within the realm of possibility that he might release LU under\nthe GNU Free Documentation License:" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Maru Dubshinki", "address": "marudubshinki at gmail.com" }, "date": "2005-07-21T21:58:11+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Lexicon Urthus", "in_reply_to": "<2124d6b105072121497512c702@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "What is the status of Lexicon Urthus? Is it still a going concern? \n'Cause Sirius says that they are completely and utterly out of LU,\nthey've been so since 2002, there are no plans for a corrected second\nedition, or even a second printing; also, no copy on Abebooks, Amazon,\nEbay or what-have-you is available for less than 100 US$. Also,\nmantis appears to have moved on with other fiction and essays, making\nLU look like a classic example of abandonware or an orphaned work\n(just rather young).\nhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orphaned_works\n\nI am curious because it strikes me that the LU would make a\nsurpassingly excellent basis for the much-discussed FAQ for this ML. \nI, however, have nil personal experience with Druissi, and I've read\nonly a few posts by him, since I first joined this list long after he\nceased to be active here. I need to know: is this within the realm of\npossibility? Would mantis/Andre-Druissi allow a work, which will\nprobably never see print again, which was only ever aimed at a faction\nof a faction of a fraction of the reading audience, and a small\nfraction at that, to be licensed, improved and used as a basis for a\nvocab section for the FAQ? Would he find licensing under the GPL free\ndocumentation license, or the Creative Commons\nattrib-derive-sharealike-nocommercial license, or another CC license,\nwould he find it impossible?\nhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Free_Documentation_License\nhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_GNU_Free_Documentation_License\nhttp://creativecommons.org\nhttp://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.5/\nhttp://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.5/\n\nIs this but a pipe dream? Is it worth pursuing?\n\n~Maru" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Maru Dubshinki", "address": "marudubshinki at gmail.com" }, "date": "2005-07-22T09:55:44+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Lexicon Urthus", "in_reply_to": "<2124d6b105072121497512c702@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 7/22/05, pthwndxrclzp wrote:\nIf MA-D/Mantis were to grant a public license, and my doing so would\nbe within the constraints of such a license, I would be\ndelighted/honored to digitize the book and make the results available\nto the list members. Given the passion and commitment of most if not\nall of us, it seems a first-water tragedy (or vicious crime, take your\npick) that the book is essentially unavailable.\n\nThat said (well, written), and alternatively, should Mr. Mantis be\nreading or sent a copy of this discussion, I should point out that\nhttp://www.lulu.com/ could make printed copies available nearly\novernight, at whatever price MA-D deemed suitable (with a good and\nwell-deserved commission on each going directly to him -- I think lulu\ncharges about seven bucks for a perfect-bound copy, so with a price\npoint of, say, $20, I think he'd do okay, and he'd have a bunch of\nnewly-delighted customers).\n\nFor what it's worth, my $.02 on the subject. Er, two-hundredths of a\ncard. Whatever.\n\n-Aquastor" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "As long as you mean what I think you mean by 'public license', that's\ngreat! Now I can tell mantis that all he has to do is make a simple\nstatement, and we'll do the rest, which is a good selling point.\n\nA minor point: is the mantis at siriusfiction.com address still good? Or\nam I going to have to send an email to sales at siriusfiction.com, and a\nsnailmail to Sirius fiction's po box, with a request to forward to\nMA-D? Or shall I do all three?\n\n~Maru\ngoing to work on rough draft of letter now." } ] }, { "message_id": "<18742859.1122051525111.JavaMail.root@wamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net>", "from": { "name": "James Wynn", "address": "thewynns at earthlink.net" }, "date": "2005-07-22T09:58:48+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Lexicon Urthus", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "...one could make an argument that online copies would not\ncannibalize a print-on-demand edition. At least for me, physical text\nis superior to bits, and worth paying for." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "One could make that argument, but most people will never get around to actually crossing the line and buying a book -- particularly a $30 reference book -- if the same information is available for free...despite their best intentions. It's just human nature. Still, I'm surprised a third-party publisher has not successfully made a paperback offer that was financially worth Mantis' while.\n\nI'm very proud of my particular copy, and I only wish more Gene Wolfe fans would visit my house so I could gloat over it.\n\nJ" } ] }, { "message_id": "<2124d6b105072210021bda88e0@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "pthwndxrclzp", "address": "aquastor at gmail.com" }, "date": "2005-07-22T10:03:22+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Lexicon Urthus", "in_reply_to": "<18742859.1122051525111.JavaMail.root@wamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Ha! I just got mine back from loaning it to another list member, and I\nhave to confess, given the high cost of potentially replacing it, I\nwas chomping on my nails during the entire loan period.\n\nBut it came back in perfect condition, and everybody involved was\nhappy. (Well, except for Mantis, who could have made $$$ off the\nsituation if only the infernal thing had been even half-reasonably\navailable. Grrrr.)\n\nAq" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 7/22/05, James Wynn wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "...one could make an argument that online copies would not\ncannibalize a print-on-demand edition. At least for me, physical text\nis superior to bits, and worth paying for." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "One could make that argument, but most people will never get around to actually crossing the line and buying a book -- particularly a $30 reference book -- if the same information is available for free...despite their best intentions. It's just human nature. Still, I'm surprised a third-party publisher has not successfully made a paperback offer that was financially worth Mantis' while.\n\nI'm very proud of my particular copy, and I only wish more Gene Wolfe fans would visit my house so I could gloat over it.\n\nJ\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Maru Dubshinki", "address": "marudubshinki at gmail.com" }, "date": "2005-07-22T10:17:00+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Lexicon Urthus", "in_reply_to": "<18742859.1122051525111.JavaMail.root@wamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Argument time! Cory Doctorow, who releases his novels in a\nmultiplicity of formats, many of which are more convenient to read\n(such as Palm editions), estimates his sales have at least *tripled*\nbecause of people tasting his novels online and then buying the print\nversion for perusal. I see no reason why the same principle would not\nhold for LU- would you buy a 30$ reference book sight unseen? With no\nverification of the contents besides what a few reviews say? (Err...\nThat's a hypothetical you, just for the record.)\n\nAnd as far as the third-party goes... I'm not surprised at all. The\nsurprise would be if the converse happened. I mean, didn't LU not\nsell out its first printing? Didn't a bunch of unsold copies have to\nbe auctioned off on Ebay? That doesn't sound like a potential\nblockbuster, or even a modest seller, unfortunately. Too restricted in\nits appeal.\n\n~Maru" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 7/22/05, James Wynn wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "...one could make an argument that online copies would not\ncannibalize a print-on-demand edition. At least for me, physical text\nis superior to bits, and worth paying for." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "One could make that argument, but most people will never get around to\nactually crossing the line and buying a book -- particularly a $30 reference\nbook -- if the same information is available for free...despite their best\nintentions. It's just human nature. Still, I'm surprised a third-party\npublisher has not successfully made a paperback offer that was financially\nworth Mantis' while.\n\nI'm very proud of my particular copy, and I only wish more Gene Wolfe fans\nwould visit my house so I could gloat over it.\n\nJ\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<10507221718.AA27312@slack.com>", "from": { "name": "David DiGiacomo", "address": "david at slack.com" }, "date": "2005-07-22T10:18:33+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Lexicon Urthus", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I had no trouble getting a copy to read via interlibrary loan. It's not\nas good as owning it, of course." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Maru Dubshinki", "address": "marudubshinki at gmail.com" }, "date": "2005-07-22T10:23:28+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Lexicon Urthus", "in_reply_to": "<10507221718.AA27312@slack.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I did try that. For one the few times ever, interlibrary loan failed\nme! I don't know what to believe in now.\n\n~Maru" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 7/22/05, David DiGiacomo wrote:\nI had no trouble getting a copy to read via interlibrary loan. It's not\nas good as owning it, of course.\n\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Maru Dubshinki", "address": "marudubshinki at gmail.com" }, "date": "2005-07-22T11:26:30+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Lexicon Urthus", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Alright, I'm done. Here's the rough draft; critique as you will:\n\nDear Mr. Andre-Driussi:\n\nOn behalf on the Urth.net mailing list [0], I would like to ask you to\nre-license ''Lexicon Urthus'' with a free-er license; by 'free' I mean\nfree as in speech [1], or the 'free software' sense [2].\n\nI ask because your work is very well-known on the list, as are you,\nbut it is nigh impossible to acquire. People like myself, who were\nnot around during the original printing of \"Lexicon Urthus\", now find\nit impossible to acquire a copy. No physical book stores possess any\nof the run of 1000 books; Sirius Fiction says it is completely out,\nwith no plans for a corrected second printing, or a second edition\n[3]. Abebooks, Amazon, Ebay etc. all demand a absolute minimum of 100\nUS$ for a copy, which may not even be in mint condition! Simply put,\n$ 100 is not doable for the vast majority of Wolfean readers, and a\nyear is a long time.\n\nReleasing your work under a permissive license would cost you very\nlittle; commercial prospects for \"Lexicon Urthus\" appear minimal, due\nto the fact that by its very nature it appeals to a limited and select\ngroup, so potential profit is very slim (though there is some demand\n[5]). Furthermore, if you feel there are opportunities for future\neditions, you could simply release it under a Creative Commons [6]\nlicense reserving commercial use of \"Lexicon Urthus\" exclusively to\nyourself, but freely allowing non-profit usage of it [7], or perhaps\nunder another similar license [8]; or possibly even into the public\ndomain [9] (which, however, from our perspective would be ideal.\nPublic domain is the freest licensing scheme, and the simplest to\nunderstand and work with). Or you could choose the GNU Free\nDocumentation License [10].\n\nThere are strong reasons to believe that a freely available online\nedition will not cannibalize sales of \"Lexicon Urthus\"- Firstly, the\nperson who will read more than a smidgen of an online edition is very\nprobably a fan of Gene Wolfe's work, and so would buy an edition for\nconvenience, as reading online fatigues the eyes and is not always\npossible, if they don't buy just to support critical Wolfe literature\nor for their collection; Secondly, more likely, viewers will be\nlooking up a few entries. Seeing the quality of the entries, they may\nwell be more motivated to buy, since \"Lexicon Urthus\" would then not\nbe a book of unknown quality with a deterring price (Cory Doctorow\n[11] notes on the Wikipedia article on him (a project known for its\nsucess and its use of a free license [12]) that his books have sold\nvery well, thanks to his licensing practices [13]). Thirdly, all the\nlicenses suggested would allow you to incorporate our work into any\nfuture editions for free.\n\nWhichever you choose, be it one of those I suggested or a license of\nyour own devising, you need only reply with a refusal, or with a\nsimple statement saying \"I hereby release my \"Lexicon Urthus\" under\nthe X license.\" And that's it- one of your fans has already\nvolunteered [14] to scan and format it; then the rest of us can set to\nwork improving it, fixing the small errors others have caught [15],\netc.\n\nWhat motivation do I have to ask? Simply that \"Lexicon Urthus\" could\nbe an excellent basis for the long-discussed Urth.net FAQ, since it\ndisposes of just about every vocabulary related question, is a primary\nsource document for many of the most popular theories, and is\ncomprehensive.\n\nThank you for your time. I hope you will consider my suggestions seriously.\n\n~Maru Dubshinki\n\n\n[0] http://www.urth.net/\n[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech\n[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software\n[3] http://www.siriusfiction.com/#lexicon\n[4] http://lists.urth.net/htdig.cgi/urth-urth.net/2004-December/000159.html" } ] }, { "message_id": "<2124d6b1050722112874e805a8@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "pthwndxrclzp", "address": "aquastor at gmail.com" }, "date": "2005-07-22T11:29:09+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Lexicon Urthus", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Wait, now I'm confused. I thought the previous email noted that one\ncan get a spiral-bound copy for about twenty-five bucks plus shipping.\nIsn't that sufficient for most any need for the present? I'd hate\nMantis to feel like we were pushing him, given that the text is\napparently readily available (assuming you don't inherently loathe\nspiral-bindings)...." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 7/22/05, Maru Dubshinki wrote:\nAlright, I'm done. Here's the rough draft; critique as you will:\n\nDear Mr. Andre-Driussi:\n\nOn behalf on the Urth.net mailing list [0], I would like to ask you to\nre-license ''Lexicon Urthus'' with a free-er license; by 'free' I mean\nfree as in speech [1], or the 'free software' sense [2].\n\nI ask because your work is very well-known on the list, as are you,\nbut it is nigh impossible to acquire. People like myself, who were\nnot around during the original printing of \"Lexicon Urthus\", now find\nit impossible to acquire a copy. No physical book stores possess any\nof the run of 1000 books; Sirius Fiction says it is completely out,\nwith no plans for a corrected second printing, or a second edition\n[3]. Abebooks, Amazon, Ebay etc. all demand a absolute minimum of 100\nUS$ for a copy, which may not even be in mint condition! Simply put,\n$ 100 is not doable for the vast majority of Wolfean readers, and a\nyear is a long time.\n\nReleasing your work under a permissive license would cost you very\nlittle; commercial prospects for \"Lexicon Urthus\" appear minimal, due\nto the fact that by its very nature it appeals to a limited and select\ngroup, so potential profit is very slim (though there is some demand\n[5]). Furthermore, if you feel there are opportunities for future\neditions, you could simply release it under a Creative Commons [6]\nlicense reserving commercial use of \"Lexicon Urthus\" exclusively to\nyourself, but freely allowing non-profit usage of it [7], or perhaps\nunder another similar license [8]; or possibly even into the public\ndomain [9] (which, however, from our perspective would be ideal.\nPublic domain is the freest licensing scheme, and the simplest to\nunderstand and work with). Or you could choose the GNU Free\nDocumentation License [10].\n\nThere are strong reasons to believe that a freely available online\nedition will not cannibalize sales of \"Lexicon Urthus\"- Firstly, the\nperson who will read more than a smidgen of an online edition is very\nprobably a fan of Gene Wolfe's work, and so would buy an edition for\nconvenience, as reading online fatigues the eyes and is not always\npossible, if they don't buy just to support critical Wolfe literature\nor for their collection; Secondly, more likely, viewers will be\nlooking up a few entries. Seeing the quality of the entries, they may\nwell be more motivated to buy, since \"Lexicon Urthus\" would then not\nbe a book of unknown quality with a deterring price (Cory Doctorow\n[11] notes on the Wikipedia article on him (a project known for its\nsucess and its use of a free license [12]) that his books have sold\nvery well, thanks to his licensing practices [13]). Thirdly, all the\nlicenses suggested would allow you to incorporate our work into any\nfuture editions for free.\n\nWhichever you choose, be it one of those I suggested or a license of\nyour own devising, you need only reply with a refusal, or with a\nsimple statement saying \"I hereby release my \"Lexicon Urthus\" under\nthe X license.\" And that's it- one of your fans has already\nvolunteered [14] to scan and format it; then the rest of us can set to\nwork improving it, fixing the small errors others have caught [15],\netc.\n\nWhat motivation do I have to ask? Simply that \"Lexicon Urthus\" could\nbe an excellent basis for the long-discussed Urth.net FAQ, since it\ndisposes of just about every vocabulary related question, is a primary\nsource document for many of the most popular theories, and is\ncomprehensive.\n\nThank you for your time. I hope you will consider my suggestions seriously.\n\n~Maru Dubshinki\n\n\n[0] http://www.urth.net/\n[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech\n[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software\n[3] http://www.siriusfiction.com/#lexicon\n[4] http://lists.urth.net/htdig.cgi/urth-urth.net/2004-December/000159.html" } ] }, { "message_id": "<1f7617370507221342d300ed3@mail.gmail.com>", "from": { "name": "Dan'l Danehy-Oakes", "address": "danldo at gmail.com" }, "date": "2005-07-22T13:43:20+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Lexicon Urthus", "in_reply_to": "<2124d6b1050722112874e805a8@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I agree. If it's available POD (even spiralbound), and is being\nrevised, then I say leave it at that. There is no need to ask for\na GNU-type license." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 7/22/05, pthwndxrclzp wrote:\nWait, now I'm confused. I thought the previous email noted that one\ncan get a spiral-bound copy for about twenty-five bucks plus shipping.\nIsn't that sufficient for most any need for the present? I'd hate\nMantis to feel like we were pushing him, given that the text is\napparently readily available (assuming you don't inherently loathe\nspiral-bindings)....\n\nOn 7/22/05, Maru Dubshinki wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Alright, I'm done. Here's the rough draft; critique as you will:\n\nDear Mr. Andre-Driussi:\n\nOn behalf on the Urth.net mailing list [0], I would like to ask you to\nre-license ''Lexicon Urthus'' with a free-er license; by 'free' I mean\nfree as in speech [1], or the 'free software' sense [2].\n\nI ask because your work is very well-known on the list, as are you,\nbut it is nigh impossible to acquire. People like myself, who were\nnot around during the original printing of \"Lexicon Urthus\", now find\nit impossible to acquire a copy. No physical book stores possess any\nof the run of 1000 books; Sirius Fiction says it is completely out,\nwith no plans for a corrected second printing, or a second edition\n[3]. Abebooks, Amazon, Ebay etc. all demand a absolute minimum of 100\nUS$ for a copy, which may not even be in mint condition! Simply put,\n$ 100 is not doable for the vast majority of Wolfean readers, and a\nyear is a long time.\n\nReleasing your work under a permissive license would cost you very\nlittle; commercial prospects for \"Lexicon Urthus\" appear minimal, due\nto the fact that by its very nature it appeals to a limited and select\ngroup, so potential profit is very slim (though there is some demand\n[5]). Furthermore, if you feel there are opportunities for future\neditions, you could simply release it under a Creative Commons [6]\nlicense reserving commercial use of \"Lexicon Urthus\" exclusively to\nyourself, but freely allowing non-profit usage of it [7], or perhaps\nunder another similar license [8]; or possibly even into the public\ndomain [9] (which, however, from our perspective would be ideal.\nPublic domain is the freest licensing scheme, and the simplest to\nunderstand and work with). Or you could choose the GNU Free\nDocumentation License [10].\n\nThere are strong reasons to believe that a freely available online\nedition will not cannibalize sales of \"Lexicon Urthus\"- Firstly, the\nperson who will read more than a smidgen of an online edition is very\nprobably a fan of Gene Wolfe's work, and so would buy an edition for\nconvenience, as reading online fatigues the eyes and is not always\npossible, if they don't buy just to support critical Wolfe literature\nor for their collection; Secondly, more likely, viewers will be\nlooking up a few entries. Seeing the quality of the entries, they may\nwell be more motivated to buy, since \"Lexicon Urthus\" would then not\nbe a book of unknown quality with a deterring price (Cory Doctorow\n[11] notes on the Wikipedia article on him (a project known for its\nsucess and its use of a free license [12]) that his books have sold\nvery well, thanks to his licensing practices [13]). Thirdly, all the\nlicenses suggested would allow you to incorporate our work into any\nfuture editions for free.\n\nWhichever you choose, be it one of those I suggested or a license of\nyour own devising, you need only reply with a refusal, or with a\nsimple statement saying \"I hereby release my \"Lexicon Urthus\" under\nthe X license.\" And that's it- one of your fans has already\nvolunteered [14] to scan and format it; then the rest of us can set to\nwork improving it, fixing the small errors others have caught [15],\netc.\n\nWhat motivation do I have to ask? Simply that \"Lexicon Urthus\" could\nbe an excellent basis for the long-discussed Urth.net FAQ, since it\ndisposes of just about every vocabulary related question, is a primary\nsource document for many of the most popular theories, and is\ncomprehensive.\n\nThank you for your time. I hope you will consider my suggestions seriously.\n\n~Maru Dubshinki\n\n\n[0] http://www.urth.net/\n[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech\n[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software\n[3] http://www.siriusfiction.com/#lexicon\n[4] http://lists.urth.net/htdig.cgi/urth-urth.net/2004-December/000159.html" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Maru Dubshinki", "address": "marudubshinki at gmail.com" }, "date": "2005-07-22T20:28:01+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Lexicon Urthus", "in_reply_to": "<1f7617370507221342d300ed3@mail.gmail.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 7/22/05, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes wrote:\nI agree. If it's available POD (even spiralbound), and is being\nrevised, then I say leave it at that. There is no need to ask for\na GNU-type license." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Well, I was careful to point out that GNU's license was not the only\noption, that Creative Commons had several different possible licenses,\nthat it was not all-or-nothing (all rights reserved vs. public\ndomain).\nIndeed, the more I examine it, the less I like the Gnu documentation\nlicense (the GPL is still the best thing since Lisp and sliced bread,\nbut that is neither here nor there); it has some rather nasty\nprovisos. I myself, in my many contributions to Wikipedia, do not use\nthe GNU doc license. I release my articles and edits into the public\ndomain.\nStill, I wish mantis had just noted on his website that he was\nrevising it, that it was gonna be published (and not just a 'maybe')\nbefore I got all revved up. And as I've said before, there is no real\nneed to ask... for now.\n\n~Maru\nthat wasn't supposed to sound sinister" } ] } ] }