{ "export": { "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/urth/4489", "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "urth", "thread": { "id": 4489, "subject": "Has anyone heard of C. S. Cooney?", "messages": 9, "voices": 4, "first": "2005-08-10T17:47:36+00:00", "last": "2005-08-13T07:52:30+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Jason Willard", "address": "funesmem6 at msn.com" }, "date": "2005-08-10T17:47:36+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Has anyone heard of C. S. Cooney?", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I just got my copy of Starwater Strains and the dedication says the title is from a poem by C. S. Cooney called \"Lady Rosemary.\" Rosemary I get, of course, but is Mr. Wolfe in the habit of making up poets? I can't find this poet mentioned in Google or Wikipedia or ABE Books. (As fabulous as they are, admittedly limited sources.) Am I missing something obvious? Has Wolfe used this as a pseudonym?" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Maru Dubshinki", "address": "marudubshinki at gmail.com" }, "date": "2005-08-10T19:50:59+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Has anyone heard of C. S. Cooney?", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 8/10/05, Jason Willard wrote:\nI just got my copy of Starwater Strains and the dedication says the title is\nfrom a poem by C. S. Cooney called \"Lady Rosemary.\" Rosemary I get, of\ncourse, but is Mr. Wolfe in the habit of making up poets? I can't find this\npoet mentioned in Google or Wikipedia or ABE Books. (As fabulous as they\nare, admittedly limited sources.) Am I missing something obvious? Has\nWolfe used this as a pseudonym? " }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "There is a man of letters by the name of \"Seamus Cooney\". Cooney is\nnot a common last name at all, and that fellow has at least one of the\nright initials. But he doesn't appear to have authored any poems,\nrather just edited a lot of poems and letters by such luminaries as\nCharles Bukowski; there is an Irish principal who likes poetry, but\nthat seems unlikely; and it doesn't appear to be a code of some sort-\nat least, the most significant anagram is \"Once Cosy\". Perhaps you\ncould copy the poem, if Wolfe included it (or did he simply mention it\nin passing?).\n\n\n~Maru\nCurrent mood: ?" } ] }, { "message_id": "<42FAC709.4010600@charter.net>", "from": { "name": "JWillard", "address": "aldenweer at charter.net" }, "date": "2005-08-10T20:35:38+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Has anyone heard of C. S. Cooney?", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Maru Dubshinki wrote:\nOn 8/10/05, Jason Willard wrote:\n " }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "I just got my copy of Starwater Strains and the dedication says the title is\nfrom a poem by C. S. Cooney called \"Lady Rosemary.\" Rosemary I get, of\ncourse, but is Mr. Wolfe in the habit of making up poets? I can't find this\npoet mentioned in Google or Wikipedia or ABE Books. (As fabulous as they\nare, admittedly limited sources.) Am I missing something obvious? Has\nWolfe used this as a pseudonym? \n " }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "There is a man of letters by the name of \"Seamus Cooney\". Cooney is\nnot a common last name at all, and that fellow has at least one of the\nright initials. But he doesn't appear to have authored any poems,\nrather just edited a lot of poems and letters by such luminaries as\nCharles Bukowski; there is an Irish principal who likes poetry, but\nthat seems unlikely; and it doesn't appear to be a code of some sort-\nat least, the most significant anagram is \"Once Cosy\". Perhaps you\ncould copy the poem, if Wolfe included it (or did he simply mention it\nin passing?).\n\n\n~Maru\nCurrent mood: ?\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Maru Dubshinki", "address": "marudubshinki at gmail.com" }, "date": "2005-08-10T21:52:02+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Has anyone heard of C. S. Cooney?", "in_reply_to": "<42FAC709.4010600@charter.net>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 8/10/05, JWillard wrote:\nMaru Dubshinki wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "On 8/10/05, Jason Willard wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "I just got my copy of Starwater Strains and the dedication says the title is\nfrom a poem by C. S. Cooney called \"Lady Rosemary.\" Rosemary I get, of\ncourse, but is Mr. Wolfe in the habit of making up poets? I can't find this\npoet mentioned in Google or Wikipedia or ABE Books. (As fabulous as they\nare, admittedly limited sources.) Am I missing something obvious? Has\nWolfe used this as a pseudonym?" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "There is a man of letters by the name of \"Seamus Cooney\". Cooney is\nnot a common last name at all, and that fellow has at least one of the\nright initials. But he doesn't appear to have authored any poems,\nrather just edited a lot of poems and letters by such luminaries as\nCharles Bukowski; there is an Irish principal who likes poetry, but\nthat seems unlikely; and it doesn't appear to be a code of some sort-\nat least, the most significant anagram is \"Once Cosy\". Perhaps you\ncould copy the poem, if Wolfe included it (or did he simply mention it\nin passing?).\n\n\n~Maru\nCurrent mood: ?\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "<42FBEB5F.4030503@charter.net>", "from": { "name": "JWillard", "address": "aldenweer at charter.net" }, "date": "2005-08-11T17:20:55+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Has anyone heard of C. S. Cooney?", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Maru Dubshinki wrote:\nOn 8/10/05, JWillard wrote:\n " }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "Maru Dubshinki wrote:\n\n " }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "On 8/10/05, Jason Willard wrote:\n\n\n " }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 4, "text": "I just got my copy of Starwater Strains and the dedication says the title is\n \n\nfrom a poem by C. S. Cooney called \"Lady Rosemary.\" Rosemary I get, of" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 4, "text": "course, but is Mr. Wolfe in the habit of making up poets? I can't find this\npoet mentioned in Google or Wikipedia or ABE Books. (As fabulous as they\nare, admittedly limited sources.) Am I missing something obvious? Has\nWolfe used this as a pseudonym?\n\n\n " }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "There is a man of letters by the name of \"Seamus Cooney\". Cooney is\nnot a common last name at all, and that fellow has at least one of the\nright initials. But he doesn't appear to have authored any poems,\nrather just edited a lot of poems and letters by such luminaries as\nCharles Bukowski; there is an Irish principal who likes poetry, but\nthat seems unlikely; and it doesn't appear to be a code of some sort-\nat least, the most significant anagram is \"Once Cosy\". Perhaps you\ncould copy the poem, if Wolfe included it (or did he simply mention it\nin passing?).\n\n\n~Maru\nCurrent mood: ?\n_______________________________________________\nUrth Mailing List\nTo post, write urth at urth.net\nSubscription/information: http://www.urth.net\n\n\n\n " }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "It reads:\n\n\"The title of this book is taken from \"Lady Rosemary,\" a poem by C. S.\nCooney; and this book is dedicated to them.\"\n\nThat's it. Three possibilities (as far as I can see): Cooney is an\nobscure poet (and Wolfe does seem to have some obscure things in his\nlibrary); something's misprinted; or someone's doing some leg-pulling.\nThanks for the feedback!\n " }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Well, I gave the Library of Congress a shot; no joy.\nBut something rings wrong about that text. \"this book is dedicated to\n*them*\"? Is that pronoun correct? There are three possible referents\nfor that pronoun: \"Starwater Strains\" (unacceptable, since that is a\nvery strange thing to anthromorphize, and I'm not even sure what\nstarwater strains could be, anyways), Rosemary (well, Wolfe *could* be\na herbal fanatic. It's possible, but improbable), and finally, C. S.\nCooney, in which case the name could well be a pseudonym for a\ncollective/duo/misc. group of writers, somewhat like Bourbaki is for\nmathematicians.\n\n~Maru\n_______________________________________________" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Maru Dubshinki", "address": "marudubshinki at gmail.com" }, "date": "2005-08-11T19:50:42+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Has anyone heard of C. S. Cooney?", "in_reply_to": "<42FBEB5F.4030503@charter.net>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 8/11/05, JWillard wrote:\n[Asked David Hartwell - this was his response:]\n\nI asked and got this response from my agent Susan Protter, via Gene\nWolfe's friend Patrick O'Leary.\n\nDGH\n\nDear Dave:\n\nClaire Cooney is a neighbor, fan, family friend and renaissance devotee,\nsinger and poet.\n\nPatrick says she is a sweet young girl....\n\nSUSAN" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "/jaw drops.\nYou're kidding, right?\n\n~Maru\n\"First, I thought mountains were mountains; then I learned, and knew\nthat mountains are not mountains. But now, mountains are just\nmountains.\"" } ] }, { "message_id": "<20050813030619.78872.qmail@web32412.mail.mud.yahoo.com>", "from": { "name": "don doggett", "address": "kingwukong at yahoo.com" }, "date": "2005-08-12T20:06:21+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Has anyone heard of C. S. Cooney?", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "--- Maru Dubshinki wrote:\nOn 8/11/05, JWillard wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "[Asked David Hartwell - this was his response:]\n\nI asked and got this response from my agent Susan\nProtter, via Gene\nWolfe's friend Patrick O'Leary.\n\nDGH\n\nDear Dave:\n\nClaire Cooney is a neighbor, fan, family friend\nand renaissance devotee,\nsinger and poet.\n\nPatrick says she is a sweet young girl....\n\nSUSAN" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "/jaw drops.\nYou're kidding, right?" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "That's awesome. I thought something like that might\nbe the case. I'm glad it was, it speaks well of GW.\nWhy don't you guys write her and ask her for copies of\nher poetry? She might be stoked. :)\n\nDon\n\n\n\t\t" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Maru Dubshinki", "address": "marudubshinki at gmail.com" }, "date": "2005-08-12T20:21:28+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Has anyone heard of C. S. Cooney?", "in_reply_to": "<20050813030619.78872.qmail@web32412.mail.mud.yahoo.com>", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 8/12/05, don doggett wrote:\n\n\n--- Maru Dubshinki wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "On 8/11/05, JWillard wrote:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "[Asked David Hartwell - this was his response:]\n\nI asked and got this response from my agent Susan\nProtter, via Gene\nWolfe's friend Patrick O'Leary.\n\nDGH\n\nDear Dave:\n\nClaire Cooney is a neighbor, fan, family friend\nand renaissance devotee,\nsinger and poet.\n\nPatrick says she is a sweet young girl....\n\nSUSAN" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "/jaw drops.\nYou're kidding, right?" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "That's awesome. I thought something like that might\nbe the case. I'm glad it was, it speaks well of GW.\nWhy don't you guys write her and ask her for copies of\nher poetry? She might be stoked. :)\n\nDon" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Why not indeed- the poem might provide context for the anthology.\nWhat do you think, SUSAN? Does that sound too creepy/stalker-ish or no?\n\n~Maru" } ] }, { "message_id": "<42FE0920.6010609@charter.net>", "from": { "name": "JWillard", "address": "aldenweer at charter.net" }, "date": "2005-08-13T07:52:30+00:00", "subject": "(urth) Has anyone heard of C. S. Cooney?", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "header", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Maru Dubshinki wrote:\nOn 8/12/05, don doggett wrote:\n " }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "--- Maru Dubshinki wrote:\n\n " }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "On 8/11/05, JWillard wrote:\n " }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 4, "text": "[Asked David Hartwell - this was his response:]\n\nI asked and got this response from my agent Susan\n " }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "Protter, via Gene\n " }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 4, "text": "Wolfe's friend Patrick O'Leary.\n\nDGH\n\nDear Dave:\n\nClaire Cooney is a neighbor, fan, family friend\n " }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "and renaissance devotee,\n " }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 4, "text": "singer and poet.\n\nPatrick says she is a sweet young girl....\n\nSUSAN\n " }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 3, "text": "/jaw drops.\nYou're kidding, right?\n " }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "That's awesome. I thought something like that might\nbe the case. I'm glad it was, it speaks well of GW.\nWhy don't you guys write her and ask her for copies of\nher poetry? She might be stoked. :)\n\nDon\n " }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Why not indeed- the poem might provide context for the anthology.\nWhat do you think, SUSAN? Does that sound too creepy/stalker-ish or no?\n\n~Maru\n_______________________________________________" } ] } ] }